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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: Richard230 on June 05, 2021, 04:49:30 AM
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Here is a link to what Motorcycle.com has to say about the LiveWire brand that is scheduled to be introduced on July 8:
https://www.motorcycle.com/features/what-to-expect-from-livewire-harley-davidsons-electric-motorcycle-brand.html
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So just as was foretold by the guys at Damon, mainly Derek Dorresteyn the COO of Damon Motorcycle and the former CTO of Alta Motorcycles.
As he said HD and Alta were working on a "project" bike before they had bad blood. The one prototype drawing of the larger dirt bike basically has the exact same battery pack unit as the Alta.
The smaller one looks like a Sur Ron copy. The scooter isn't worth mentioning.
The brand also comes with my most telling buzz phrase, "targeted at the urban market". This means it's slow and has crap range but will still be over priced because it's for city captives.
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I am no businessman and for the life of me I can't see how Harley who as been financially struggling will make money with a dedicated EV Showroom and support staff when they only have one model out in the market, and that model does not seem all that popular.
How many bikes a month do they have to sell to support a showroom and staff?
I looked at the Livewire several times and it is a nice bike, ...... then bought bought a Zero because of their track record and have no regrets.
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Probably the e-bikes. Class 1-3 are selling like hotcakes right now, no one can keep them in stock.
-Crissa
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Does anybody know when / where / how the Livewire announcement is going to be made? Google search just returns articles from weeks ago stating the announcement of the new model will be on July 8th.
EDIT: The media release is supposed to be 10 AM CST.
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Does anybody know when / where / how the Livewire announcement is going to be made? Google search just returns articles from weeks ago stating the announcement of the new model will be on July 8th.
EDIT: The media release is supposed to be 10 AM CST.
As Sargent Schultz used to say on the TV program Hogan's Heros, "I know nothing." ;)
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Does anybody know when / where / how the Livewire announcement is going to be made? Google search just returns articles from weeks ago stating the announcement of the new model will be on July 8th.
EDIT: The media release is supposed to be 10 AM CST.
https://www.livewire.com/product
-S
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562 pounds. The very first spec I looked at, and one which is the singularly most important. No thanks.
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Price dropped considerably, that's for sure. Much more in line with the other brands.
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Here is the news about the LiveWire One. H-D has cut the price substantially. Just keep your fingers crossed that they haven't cut any corners on the high quality of the original version. The two colors seem a little bland. It looks like they are going for internet sales to start. That should be interesting. Will they be shipping it to your home or have you pick it up at an established H-D dealer? I wonder if the lower price represents the profit margin to the franchised H-D dealer of the original model? The lower price could also be due to H-D receiving and selling "carbon credits" on the California pollution credit market: https://electrek.co/2021/07/08/harley-davidsons-livewire-one-electric-motorcycle-launches-with-dramatically-lower-price/
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It says it's only sold in CA TX and NY until the fall.
Also the fine print is the $20k price is after tax credit.
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It says it's only sold in CA TX and NY until the fall.
Also the fine print is the $20k price is after tax credit.
That fine print will get you every time. ::)
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Haptic Feedback? Really?
I'd heard that Harley had purposely de-tuned engines to get their signature sound, but was anybody really asking to make the bike vibrate when it is on?
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Haptic Feedback? Really?
I'd heard that Harley had purposely de-tuned engines to get their signature sound, but was anybody really asking to make the bike vibrate when it is on?
I bet that is a feature that their traditional customers appreciate. ;)
However, LiveWire reviewers speculate that the vibration at idle is there to let you know that your bike is still on and ready to take off with a turn of the throttle. Plus, you do have the option to turn that Haptic Feedback off.
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I'd heard that Harley had purposely de-tuned engines to get their signature sound, but was anybody really asking to make the bike vibrate when it is on?
Yes. Yes, people ask for feedback of when the bike is enabled.
-Crissa
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A small green circle on the dashboard is all it takes to let me know that the bike is enabled. I can see why some hardcore Harley fans would prefer a more "manly" indication though ;D
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Yeah, who doesn't need their crotch vibrated to know the machine is working?
-Crissa
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Revzilla offers a few interesting words regarding the new LiveWire One: https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/harleys-livewire-spinoff-reveals-first-product-the-21999-livewire-one
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Haptic Feedback? Really?
I'd heard that Harley had purposely de-tuned engines to get their signature sound, but was anybody really asking to make the bike vibrate when it is on?
Tradition is at the core of HD.
https://youtu.be/XeuXShFIgyc
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Revzilla notes that: The reduced price also means a reduced dealer network, unfortunately. From LiveWire’s FAQ page, only authorized LiveWire Stores, not Harley-Davidson dealers, can sell and service LiveWire ONEs. LiveWire currently has stores in California, Texas and New York. They will not ship motorcycles beyond 50 miles from a store and their store locator won't show any results at all if you are more than 150 miles away. With a shipping distance of only 50 miles from whatever new LiveWire dealership is established, that is sure to limit the number of LiveWire ONE's to be sold this year.
They also compared last year's H-D LiveWire with the ONE and had this to say: the LiveWire ONE lost five horsepower and two foot-pounds of torque. Stranger still, it gained 13 pounds. (Maybe the 12-volt battery that runs the bike’s computer and keyless ignition was swapped from lithium to AGM or similar?)
And that: LiveWire ONE debuts at the Progressive IMS Outdoors show at Sonoma Raceway in California on July 18. Orders open today on LiveWire’s website with deliveries starting in two to four weeks. I plan to attend the "show" next Saturday, likely riding my Royal Enfield as I am pretty sure that my Zero will not make it to the Raceway and back home without five hours of L1 charging and I don't plan to stick around that long. Plus, I am pretty sure that they will not have L1 outlets in the two parking lots that are set aside for attendees. :(