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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: Flybuddy on May 16, 2021, 05:06:35 AM
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Just bought a 2021 Zero S..Interested in the J1772 charge adapter. Will the one listed below work?
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-to-c-13-adapter-for-electric-motorcycle-scooter/
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Just bought a 2021 Zero S..Interested in the J1772 charge adapter. Will the one listed below work?
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-to-c-13-adapter-for-electric-motorcycle-scooter/ (https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-to-c-13-adapter-for-electric-motorcycle-scooter/)
Yes, it will work if you do not ever want to add chargers.
A much better deal are these here. (https://tucsonev.com/)The 3 times C-13. Not shown, but ask and one will be made for you at a very reasonable price. The quality is the best you will find anywhere. The times 2 C-13 is shown. I had him make mine as three C-13's. That way I can use the OBC as well as two Delta Q's plus many other options with adapters (https://www.amazon.com/5-15R-Adapter-Vellcon-Female-Converter/dp/B06XVW2X8N/ref=sr_1_21?dchild=1&keywords=server+AC+adapter&qid=1621121247&sr=8-21)for the C-13.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yes, it will work if you do not ever want to add chargers.
It's just an adapter, it doesn't stop you from adding chargers.
-Crissa
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It's just an adapter, it doesn't stop you from adding chargers.
It sure does. You know how hot that single cable will get at 8 KWs like I use? It will melt by the time I am done charging.
The ones from TucsonEV can handle more power from EACH cable so it's better than three times as good as the cheap one Zero sells. And I have two of each, so I can compare quality close up.
I use my cheap ones with my DeltaQ's, 3 KW max with adapters. And that is over doing it a little already. No way would I use such a setup with my Elcons and draw 34 amps at 240 VAC through a single 15 amp 120 VAC cable as Zero sells as well as the other cheap ones.
BTW, has this forum been giving you a bunch of errors lately as it is with me?
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's just an adapter, it doesn't stop you from adding chargers.
BTW, has this forum been giving you a bunch of errors lately as it is with me?
-Don- Reno, NV
Certificate expired errors so browsers think the website might be hacked.
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Certificate expired errors so browsers think the website might be hacked.
I hope somebody fixes that soon. It makes this forum rather difficult to use as it tells me every page has expired.
And it will do the same as I try to post this.
-Don- Reno
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It's just an adapter, it doesn't stop you from adding chargers.
It sure does. You know how hot...
...Your head gets when you get a nonsensical idea like using an adapter for one amperage for another is?
It's an adapter. It doesn't stop you from getting another.
This is about as sane as your demand that we replace J1772 with NEMA 50 outlets.
-Crissa
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It's an adapter. It doesn't stop you from getting another.
You're not making much sense. Why would you want to be forced to have two J-1772 adapters and then have to look for two charge stations for 6 KW?
And why do you like the 6.6 KW limitations of most J-1772 stations when most 14-50Rs are good for 12KW?
You need to get into high power charging while on the road (@ 8 K, as I do) and then you would be qualified to discuss this. When everything melts on you, you will then understand why you don't want to run it all through one thin cable as on the Zero J-1772 adapter. That thing is designed for no more than 1.5 KW.
-Don- Reno, NV
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It's an adapter. It doesn't stop you from getting another.
You're not making much sense. Why would you want to be forced to have two J-1772 adapters and then have to look for two charge stations for 6 KW?
Of course I'm not making any sense when you wrote something completely unrelated to what I wrote.
-Crissa
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OK, from the responses I'm assuming this works along the same lines as the adapter sold by ZERO (but for half the price). I have a simple 7.2 Zero S with no power or charge tank. Will the basic onboard charger be able to accept the J1772 220 input and adjust it down? Reason for usefulness is that there are almost zero listings for standard 110V outlets online even though they are prevalent everywhere. You can find standard EV plugs though through various sites.
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Yes Flybuddy it will work with a j plug charging station just fine. I have one from Zero and as long as your just powering the OBC your fine.
In fact at the 220 volt stations it will halve the amps so you'll pull just 6 amps which will keep your cord cooler since it's the amps that give you the heat.
Glad to see you pulled the trigger on your S. Let us know how you like it.
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Yes Flybuddy it will work with a j plug charging station just fine. I have one from Zero and as long as your just powering the OBC your fine.
In fact at the 220 volt stations it will halve the amps so you'll pull just 6 amps which will keep your cord cooler since it's the amps that give you the heat.
Glad to see you pulled the trigger on your S. Let us know how you like it.
Thanks, enjoying it, just got back from a 30 mile ride and showing 58% remaining (average speeds between 45 and 50). The seat is a bit hard but tolerable, I think part of it is that I'm used to leaning back on normal cruisers and this seating position is more crotch rocket. I've got risers on order and I may play with the pegs also. I've got a City Slicker that I moved the bars back a bit and swapped the pegs out for floorboards, also added a windscreen and it's a comfy ride now. For the Zero, I've got a Madstad Windshield on order as well as saddle bags and trunk from Zero (got a good discount from the dealer for accessories).
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You can order SR/S foot pegs from a Zero dealer for $20 and put them on your S. It made the riding position a lot more comfortable for my SR, both in the knees and for some reason made the seat feel more comfortable too. It limits the lean angle a bit, but I'd call it a very worthy trade-off.
I tried rotating the bars to a more upright position, but I ended up preferring the default one. Lately I've been working on using my knees against the tank instead of letting my body weight rest on my wrists, a habit I never developed because I always rode upright bikes like my Multistrada.
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You can order SR/S foot pegs from a Zero dealer for $20 and put them on your S. It made the riding position a lot more comfortable for my SR, both in the knees and for some reason made the seat feel more comfortable too. It limits the lean angle a bit, but I'd call it a very worthy trade-off.
Appreciate the suggestion but I'm a little confused as to why SR/S pegs would be an improvement. Do they not mount in same spot? Are they angled differently? thx much for any info
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Yes, I charge my S using a J17j2 inlet adapter occasionally and plug my 'computer cable' into a 240v dryer outlet to charge at home ^-^
...but I'm a little confused as to why SR/S pegs would be an improvement. Do they not mount in same spot? Are they angled differently? thx much for any info
Yes, they have a little jink in the a little forward and down from the attachment point, whereas the default pegs are straight.
-Crissa
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Of course I'm not making any sense when you wrote something completely unrelated to what I wrote.
-Crissa
Then please explain how you can add adapters to that cheap J-1772 cable to safely add more chargers.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Appreciate the suggestion but I'm a little confused as to why SR/S pegs would be an improvement. Do they not mount in same spot? Are they angled differently? thx much for any info
What Crissa said. It effectively drops the pegs by about an inch. Doesn’t sound like much but it made a big difference for my comfort.
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Then please explain how you can add...
The adapter doesn't stop you from:
- Using a different adapter
- Changing the adapter's wiring
It's just a dumb adapter. Just like your NEMA plugs don't stop you from having other NEMA plugs (as is the design)
-Crissa
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- Changing the adapter's wiring
It's just a dumb adapter. Just like your NEMA plugs don't stop you from having other NEMA plugs (as is the design)
-Crissa
And that is the problem. One thin wire on that cheap J-1772 adapter that is designed for no more than 15 amps. How do you safely add chargers when that one thin wire will see the ENTIRE load, OBC Plus all chargers, even with a billon other adapters. Have any idea how fast that will melt on my 8 KW worth of chargers?
The answer is use one from TucsonEV that has three wires to use, and any of the three are thicker and can handle much more current that those that are designed only for the OBC, such as the junky one Zero sells. Perhaps good for around six times the current total.
-Don- Reno, NV
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And that is the problem. One thin wire on that cheap J-1772 adapter that is designed for no more than 15 amps. How do you safely add chargers when...
...You use a different adapter or change the wiring. I do not see how this is a problem or a big deal.
-Crissa
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And that is the problem. One thin wire on that cheap J-1772 adapter that is designed for no more than 15 amps. How do you safely add chargers when...
...You use a different adapter or change the wiring. I do not see how this is a problem or a big deal.
-Crissa
How do you change the one common wire on that cheap J-1772 adapter? It will have the entire load and there is no reasonable fix possible. It's a J-1772 to a single 15 amp wire. Add chargers with any adapters and you will be well over that 15 amps on that one thin wire from any J-1772 station.
Tucson EV makes those MUCH better cables for a very good reason.
-Don- Reno, NV
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How do you change the one common wire...
There's no 'Common' in a J1772. There's Hot, Hot, Ground, and two signal wires.
-Crissa
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How do you change the one common wire...
There's no 'Common' in a J1772. There's Hot, Hot, Ground, and two signal wires.
-Crissa
I meant the common cable, not a common wire. The entire load is on those wires in that thin adapter cable, so no chargers can be added to it from a J-1772 without it overheating at 120 VAC. You can safely add one DeltaQ charger if you're using 240 VAC because of the way those chargers drop the current at higher voltages (even if Ohm's law says the opposite should happen).
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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I meant the common cable, not a common wire. The entire load is...
So you made up a situation whereby any potential upgrade had to use this cable for all of the load why?
Why would you spend more to carry around a heavier cable than you needed to with extra connectors dangling from it? And why would this lighter cable stop you from buying a different one in the future or stripping out the parts if you were going to upgrade?
-Crissa
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So you made up a situation whereby any potential upgrade had to use this cable for all of the load why?
8 KWs is why.
Why would you spend more to carry around a heavier cable than you needed to with extra connectors dangling from it? And why would this lighter cable stop you from buying a different one in the future or stripping out the parts if you were going to upgrade?-Crissa
Because I do need it for 8 KW. And they are not designed to be modified, It would be a lot easier to buy the correct cable to begin with.
How else am I going to run three chargers at once with a total of 8 KW? The J-1772 cable that leaves the cheap J-1772 adapter will melt at 8 KW. It's designed for 15 amps, not 34 amps at 240 VAC as I use. The one from Tucson is good for 60 amps, 20 amps each lead, IIRC. And I use all three leads,
-Don- Reno, NV
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So you made up a situation whereby any potential upgrade had to use this cable for all of the load why?
8 KWs is why.
So again, you imagine that this adapter stops you from buying a different $100 adapter when you spend another $4k on chargers why?
-Crissa
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So again, you imagine that this adapter stops you from buying a different $100 adapter when you spend another $4k on chargers why?
-Crissa
Why would I (or anybody) want to buy something that will never be used?
-Don-
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Why would I (or anybody) want to buy something that will never be used?
Yes, Don, why would anyone buy a device they're not likely to use?
Because that's what you suggested they do.
-Crissa
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Yes, Don, why would anyone buy a device they're not likely to use?
Because that's what you suggested they do.
-Crissa
Now I see why you're all confused. I said do NOT buy the cheap one from EVSEadpaters, but buy the much better one from Tucson EV which can do everything the cheap one can and much more.
-Don- Reno, NV
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...but buy the much better one from Tucson EV which can do everything the cheap one can and much more.
Yes, that's what I said you said. You said to buy the one that uses extra space, has features they won't be using, and costs more.
-Crissa
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Yes, that's what I said you said. You said to buy the one that uses extra space, has features they won't be using, and costs more.
-Crissa
I think most consider 1.4 KW charging on the road to be useless, for other than an overnight stop. And if you're going far enough to need an overnight stop, you're not going to get far fast with 1.4 KW charging. So if you buy a J-1772 adapter, make sure it will work with your charger upgrades or do not buy it at all, IMO.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Well, it's not useless, Don.
It means I can go to the next county over, charge and do something, then come back.
So like, go to the dentist, or BMW shop, or the mall.
And it doesn't require me to spend an amount on chargers and adapter equal to the value of my bike.
-Crissa
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Just bought a 2021 Zero S..Interested in the J1772 charge adapter. Will the one listed below work?
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-to-c-13-adapter-for-electric-motorcycle-scooter/
There is so much drama, bickering over semantics, and non-communication above. How about just the facts so you can make the decision?
For $80 you'd be getting an adapter that lets you charge at an J-1772 L2 station at exactly the same rate as charging at home with the OBC. It would take on the order of 8 hours for a full charge. At stations that charge a connection fee and/or by the minute, you might pay as much as a car pays -- easily 10x too much -- so you might use PlugShare to see if there are free stations where you'd ride. Faster J-1772 charging can only be achieved using a Charge Tank or by carrying external chargers, both at a cost of up to ~$2500.
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Just bought a 2021 Zero S..Interested in the J1772 charge adapter. Will the one listed below work?
https://www.evseadapters.com/products/j1772-to-c-13-adapter-for-electric-motorcycle-scooter/
There is so much drama, bickering over semantics, and non-communication above. How about just the facts so you can make the decision?
For $80 you'd be getting an adapter that lets you charge at an J-1772 L2 station at exactly the same rate as charging at home with the OBC. It would take on the order of 8 hours for a full charge. At stations that charge a connection fee and/or by the minute, you might pay as much as a car pays -- easily 10x too much -- so you might use PlugShare to see if there are free stations where you'd ride. Faster J-1772 charging can only be achieved using a Charge Tank or by carrying external chargers, both at a cost of up to ~$2500.
Thx, I DID order it for the reasons you've outlined. If, down the road, I buy a Delta Q what would I need for that to work at a J-1772 station? I can't find a pic that has the plugs on it. There is one video where it has to be plugged in separately from 110v plug to 4 prong (under my seat on the S). Video shows it will not work alone and OBC must be plugged in also., not good on the road and has me understanding some of the comments made a little better. Another vid shows an Elcon charger only needing one plug where the Elcon is plugged into the OBC connection on one side and a J-1772 on the other. I'm beginning to think that maybe Zero got their name due to the amount of info they put out ;), thankfully, there are forums!
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Information on this does seem quite sparse. I'm pretty sure you could get one of these:
Splitter from C13 to C14 + NEMA 14-50R:
https://www.amazon.com/Tekit-Splitter-Single-Female-Adapter/dp/B08HSMHSSJ
With 240V coming out of the J-1772 to C13, you'd be charging at 1200W (OBC) + 945W (QuiQ) = 2145W @ 9A (well within the cable current limits) and bring the time for full charge down to 4-5 hours.
I've not tried this, so someone correct me if it wouldn't work.
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Information on this does seem quite sparse. I'm pretty sure you could get one of these:
Splitter from C13 to C14 + NEMA 14-50R:
https://www.amazon.com/Tekit-Splitter-Single-Female-Adapter/dp/B08HSMHSSJ (https://www.amazon.com/Tekit-Splitter-Single-Female-Adapter/dp/B08HSMHSSJ)
With 240V coming out of the J-1772 to C13, you'd be charging at 1200W (OBC) + 945W (QuiQ) = 2145W @ 9A (well within the cable current limits) and bring the time for full charge down to 4-5 hours.
I've not tried this, so someone correct me if it wouldn't work.
It will work fine. I often use such cables but with both ends being C13, two of such cables, two Delta Q's and the OBC, with 240 VAC, with the cheap Zero J-adapter. ~13 amps at 240VAC, still within limits. I have that setup at two houses for when I only want to charge at 3KW. I never use this setup on the road as then I want faster charging than 3.1 KW.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Thx for the replies, good info! The link below is for a Delta Q charger but the plug looks wrong and the label on the side says 48V, I realize they can be reprogrammed but is this for older Zeros?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224222300252?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=224222300252&targetid=1263094004786&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012209&poi=&campaignid=11755693329&mkgroupid=122298872557&rlsatarget=pla-1263094004786&abcId=9300462&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8KuKRYq2Yab8_8Al9kyDKtoFkVKxYmPhywA0_WyYisJgKsHKmeAsqEaApJaEALw_wcB
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Thx for the replies, good info! The link below is for a Delta Q charger but the plug looks wrong and the label on the side says 48V, I realize they can be reprogrammed but is this for older Zeros?
https://www.ebay.com/itm/224222300252?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=224222300252&targetid=1263094004786&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9012209&poi=&campaignid=11755693329&mkgroupid=122298872557&rlsatarget=pla-1263094004786&abcId=9300462&merchantid=6296724&gclid=Cj0KCQjw16KFBhCgARIsALB0g8KuKRYq2Yab8_8Al9kyDKtoFkVKxYmPhywA0_WyYisJgKsHKmeAsqEaApJaEALw_wcB
Don't buy that -it won't work. You need a 96v charger, the link you have is a 48v. Heating fins are also banged up - that that it would stop it from working, but no telling what the internals look like.