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General Category => Electric Motorcycle News => Topic started by: DonTom on January 13, 2021, 01:49:37 AM
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EV vans are coming. Perhaps the ERV I am waiting for will not be far behind.
See here. (https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gm-brightdrop-ev600-electric-van-ev-ces-fedex/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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To me, urban package delivery vans are a perfect use for electric power. I would love to see the Postal Service use electric vehicles for suburban mail delivery instead of the beat up old jeeps that they current use to deliver mail. But I doubt they can afford to replace those long-suffering smog machines. Too bad the mail can't be delivered on Postie Bikes like they use in Australia. ;)
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The Post Office could definitely afford it if Republicans let the Post Office follow its Constitutional Charter.
-Crissa
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It's great seeing EV delivery vans start showing up. It's going to be huge as local delivery has only grown in recent years (especially this year) so a conversion to electric in this sector could have a massive impact.
Unlike say, the police departments that bought up fleets of BMW i3's and then just left them to rot in a lot before selling them. (source (http://"https://www.businessinsider.com/lapd-bmw-i3-evs-sale-again-los-angeles-police-department-2020-12"))
Another promising development is Arrival's vans (http://"https://www.fleetowner.com/news/article/21121715/ups-takes-stake-in-evmaker-arrival-will-buy-at-least-10000-electric-delivery-vans"). UPS has ordered 10k units from them to start out with.
They have a really unique design that they developed with their "microfactory" model, which will have them building cars in multiple smaller factories near where the cars will be delivered, allowing them to rent any warehouse space and use it for production rather than build out one massive facility.
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The Austrian Post will go 100% CO2 neutral in my city in 2021. They are phasing out their old trucks and only use electric ones. They also built a huge charging infrastructure at their main hub to make sure that all trucks and bikes are charged prior to their tour. To be fair, it is a small city, so they only need around 150 of those :)
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They've been here for a while. Google Nissan e-NV200.
Wasn't available in North America.
-Crissa
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"EV vans are coming."
They've been here for a while. Google Nissan e-NV200.
OIC. See here. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/nissan-e-nv200-electric-van/ar-BB10tG5d)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Fully Charged (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzz4CoEgSgWNs9ZAvRMhW2A) is currently doing a series on vans which are available in the UK (and rest of Europe).
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https://www.caranddriver.com/news/a34315562/amazon-rivian-electric-van-prototype-revealed/
https://youtu.be/rJJNTVy62PU
-S
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Looks like it was available in the US last year, already.
Last year was 2020, not 2009.
-Crissa
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Looks like it was available in the US last year, already.
It wasn't. It's never been available to consumers in the US. There were a couple of test fleets in 2014 but the car has never been actually offered here.
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Really? I guess I was right then. ;)
That's a moved goal post. And even though they were allowed to order in 2020, they've only begun to be delivered. So nearly no one has them. So no, they haven't 'been here for a while.'
-Crissa
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EV vans are coming. Perhaps the ERV I am waiting for will not be far behind.
See here. (https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/gm-brightdrop-ev600-electric-van-ev-ces-fedex/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
Workhorse has already sold several hundred electric step vans to Tier1 fleets (Ryder, UPS etc.) over the past 3 years, which were used in EV delivery pilots.
The company was in bad shape financially for a while, sold its pickup designs to Lordstown Motors and how has managed to get financing & orders for thousands of new trucks.
Electric LCVs (compact commercial vans for cargo and/or passengers) have been selling in Europe for a decade, from many mainstream carmakers. For (sub)urban delivery, it's low-hanging fruit, since daily mileage tends to be lowish and predictable, and done at low speeds, so aerodynamics aren't an issue for efficiency.
They make a lot of sense not just for deliveries, but for gardeners/plumbers/electricians etc, who tend to work at a small number of sites in the same area on a given day, so also don't need much range.
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EV vans are coming. Perhaps the ERV I am waiting for will not be far behind.
See here. (https://motorcyclehelmet-en.com/kids-dirt-bike-helmet-how-to-buy-cheap-kids-dirt-bike-helmet-2021-new/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
thank you for sharing . :D
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To me, urban package delivery vans are a perfect use for electric power. I would love to see the Postal Service use electric vehicles for suburban mail delivery instead of the beat up old jeeps that they current use to deliver mail. But I doubt they can afford to replace those long-suffering smog machines. Too bad the mail can't be delivered on Postie Bikes like they use in Australia. ;)
There's actually no reason in can't be, in urban environments (probably cargo bicycles these days, with much/most post being packages, but ); it would most likely be both cheaper and faster. e-bicycles are getting cheap; cargo one start below $2000 (https://www.radpowerbikes.com/products/radwagon-electric-cargo-bike), and of course ongoing maintenance is nearly negligible. Even larger cargo trikes aren't that expensive, compared to cars: E.g., the RadBurro (https://www.radpowerbikes.com/pages/commercial-radburro) with 700lbs payload is $6K-$7K
Re overall delivery, in 2016 USPS announced a $6.3B Tender/competition (https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/10/03/here-are-the-6-finalists-for-6-billion-usps-truck.aspx) for their Next Generation Delivery Vehicle, to replace 180K of their last-mile vans.
Only one of the 6 shortlisted entrants was electric (5-6 prototypes of each were built and paid for by USPS) -- a joint effort between Workhorse (EV drivetrain) and VT Hackney (the body).
In the meantime, USPS has been dragging its feet about announcing a winner (originally, the trucks were supposed to go into service in 2019), delaying the decision several times, and then announcing they might split the contract -- as a result, several contenders dropped out, including Workhorse's partner.
The entire project now seems to be in some doubt (https://www.linns.com/news/postal-updates/problems-mount-over-next-generation-usps-delivery-trucks).
The whole project was clearly fumbled; too bad since there's already lots of previous experience they could have learned from.
The German Postal Service (which also owns DHL) has 10K StreetScooter LCVs (https://www.fleeteurope.com/en/new-energies/germany/features/dhl-celebrates-10000th-streetscooter?a=FJA05&t%5B0%5D=Deutsche%20Post&t%5B1%5D=DHL&curl=1) (it actually bought the company to produce them, although they have now given up on making it a business in its own right).
The French Post has 7000 electric LCVs (mostly Renault Kangoos, some bigger ones), and 8000+ 3-wheeled & 4-wheeled electric sccoter/quad vehicles (also 21K e-bicycles).
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"EV vans are coming."
They've been here for a while. Google Nissan e-NV200.
OIC. See here. (https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/nissan-e-nv200-electric-van/ar-BB10tG5d)
-Don- Auburn, CA
I think Car & Driver got it wrong.
The e-NV200 was upgraded to a 40kWh battery 3 years ago, and I'm pretty sure wasn't available with the small battery since; I see no reason they'd do it for the US market which if anything would prefer >40kWh batteries.