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Makes And Models => Energica => Topic started by: shayan on October 16, 2020, 01:25:27 AM

Title: Entering a new market space
Post by: shayan on October 16, 2020, 01:25:27 AM

https://electrek.co/2020/10/15/energica-maker-of-150-mph-electric-motorcycles-is-now-testing-50-125cc-level-e-bikes/amp/

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Crissa on October 16, 2020, 02:06:52 AM

Oh, neat!

Hopefully they'll make a bridge model and not one of those super-slow basically-branded scoots.

-Crissa

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: shayan on October 16, 2020, 02:59:28 AM

Yes, absolutely! With the new battery being quite lighter compared to the old one, they could use the same current concept to re-design the 13.4kWh pack and have their S/SR competitors (in terms of weight and specs) and undercut Zero's prices for those bikes.

Lucid just undercut Model S's prices and forced Tesla to cut the base price of Model S  :)

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Richard230 on October 16, 2020, 03:21:31 AM

The only problem with Energica marketing 50cc-125cc power-level electric motorcycles is that they will be going head-to-head with the Chinese. And they have a huge advantage in price and selection within that category. However what the Chinese don't have is as good of a distribution and retail system in North America and the EU as does Energica.

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Crissa on October 16, 2020, 03:31:22 AM

Chinese models don't have a history of using parts that have a distribution network, either.

-Crissa

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: PWM on October 17, 2020, 10:13:08 AM

I see this going towards a more expendable battery system such that high discharge rates are employed to keep weight down which then results in shorter cycle life but that's okay because these packs will be made cheaper and they're "swappable" which allows performance to be sustained...the safety margins will be reduced and that's where Energica's VCU development experience beats the china competition, IMO.

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Crissa on October 17, 2020, 03:16:31 PM

Hasn't happened yet.  The packs need to cost alot less than they do to do that.

-Crissa

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Anubis-R on October 19, 2020, 01:15:27 PM

Quote from: PWM on October 17, 2020, 10:13:08 AM

I see this going towards a more expendable battery system [...] which then results in shorter cycle life but that's okay because these packs will be made cheaper and they're "swappable" [...]

whaaaaaat???!!!
I can't understand why people still acting as if our planet was infinite...
No, that's not okay to have cheaper or swappable battery... We know how to improve lithium based battery life... the best is to take care of the battery pack to avoid any replacement in the next 300.000 kms (which is achievable) while waiting for non lithium based batteries

However, I agree that it would not be a good idea to compete with chinese brand on small motorcycles sector...
would have been far better to aim at a GT or Trail version in my opinion.

Title: Re: Entering a new market space
Post by: Crissa on October 20, 2020, 12:52:51 AM

Batteries have a life cycle.  If we can make them cheap enough and recyclable enough, they can serve as mobility while their power is dense, and static while their power isn't.

Also, it's always important to compete with cheap imports.  This is how you make and retain customer loyalty.

-Crissa