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General Category => General Discussion => Topic started by: Richard230 on September 24, 2020, 03:46:02 AM
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California's Governor just announced today that he is asking his regulators to formulate rules that would result in no new internal combustion powered cars or passenger trucks being sold in the state after 2035. Heavy-duty truck sales will be ended in 2045. Naturally there was no mention about motorcycles, but I imagine they will be on the chopping block too. The major motorcycle brands has better start thinking about what they are going to do before then.
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Can't see why the manufacturers would care overmuch. We saw what happened / happened not, when CA did their emissions controls on ICE motorbikes back in the day. Mostly the rest of the US yawned...and in LA we bought outside CA.
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Can't see why the manufacturers would care overmuch. We saw what happened / happened not, when CA did their emissions controls on ICE motorbikes back in the day. Mostly the rest of the US yawned...and in LA we bought outside CA.
It is bit harder to justify investment in R&D on ICE engines. Comibned with Euro 5/6/7/infinity this at some point will make electric cheaper.
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Fifteen years is forever in model years.
Will ICE vehicles even be competitive with battery packs below $100 per kWh?
-Crissa
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I think convenience is a huge factor to the average American. Unless gas stations across the USA start closing down, I don't think ICE vehicles are going anywhere, despite what CA is doing.
Watching "Long Way Up" reminds us how far behind some parts of the world are compared to the USA, not to mention Cali. California lives in their own bubble sometimes.
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Looking like they'll be banned here in the UK from 2030 too.
Cas :)
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One thing that wasn't mentioned in the announcement was a plan for updating the state's infrastructure so that it will be able to supply the power needed by all of these new electric vehicles. Apparently, just forcing people to purchase EVs though regulation will somehow overhaul our entire power transmission system so that the necessary electrical power can be distributed to electrical refueling stations that someone else will build. Likely not Big Oil installing charging stations at every one of their gasoline stations, though. ???
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Yep, we will need 25% more generation capacity or 72 terrawatts. This is the wisdom from The California Solar and Storage Association :
1) Launch the One Million Batteries Initiative by 2030 to create economies of scale for energy storage devices and keep the lights on for everyday California homes and businesses in the face of ongoing blackouts and wildfires.
2) Launch a statewide Virtual Power Plants policy to tie those million batteries together into clean distributed power plants powerful enough to avoid California-sized blackouts like what occurred in mid-August.
3) Supercharge the state’s efforts to cut red tape and costs for consumers by streamlining and standardizing the construction of those million solar batteries across all building departments throughout the state, speeding up the deployment of safe, reliable, local energy.
4) Maintain existing policies and programs designed to build a sustainable local clean energy market in California such as net energy metering and building codes around homes and businesses.
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One thing that wasn't mentioned in the announcement was a plan for updating the state's infrastructure so that it will be able to supply the power needed by all of these new electric vehicles. Apparently, just forcing people to purchase EVs though regulation will somehow overhaul our entire power transmission system so that the necessary electrical power can be distributed to electrical refueling stations that someone else will build. Likely not Big Oil installing charging stations at every one of their gasoline stations, though. ???
I keep hearing such, but I don't buy into it all that much.
Most people drive less than 40 miles per day. The time to charge can be set and the one hour it takes to charge at 0200 hrs or so for most people will be a lot less current than we use during our peak times as it is. The current can also be set, such as draw only a few amps for a longer time. And by then, it will probably be automatic by using the web, changing the time to charge different EVs at different charge rates at different times in different areas. With a way to override it, perhaps with a very small fee.
I think the BIG mistake they make in these estimates is that everybody will be getting a full charge. That will be the very rare exception. How many people drive 300 miles per day all that often?
I only see EV charging as a problem if everybody is charging at the same time during the day. I have my Tesla set to start a charge at 0030 hrs. And hour earlier in Reno. It uses the GPS so different areas can have different charge times automatically after only being set once per location. And new location is instant charging unless set differently.
PG&E as well as NV Energy drops their rate for those who charge during the low usage times, but different areas have slightly different times to start the lower rate charge. The Tesla "remembers" the locations.
The Tesla uses the GPS for just about everything possible. Such as if I put in my mirrors once to get into a very tight spot. The next time I get to that same location, I touch nothing at all and the mirrors go in automatically. Even the garage door opener can do such. Just drive, and the garage door opens when you get close to it after it is once set. No need to press a button except the very first time. It's automatic and can be set to do such for three different houses, which is great for me, as I have three houses. All these features can be turned off, if not wanted, of course.
Anyway, I just don't see this big EV charging issue in the future that we keep on hearing about.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I did some calculations based on average efficiencies and actual miles driven and found that if all passenger cars today switched to electric, the US would need 9.0% additional power. Electric passenger vehicles would then take a total of 8.3% percent of all electricity generated.
Here are the calculations. Hopefully I didn't make any major mistakes:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1dJvYzd4CRfNLCqaviUKZuu_e7kvnG9AIHDVGS3i28A8/edit?usp=sharing
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California is already installing battery timeshifting systems, as well as we have pumped hydro we could expand a little, plus lots of other storage types on the horizon.
And we have alot of natural gas we should sequester.
-Crissa
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Yep, we will need 25% more generation capacity or 72 terrawatts. This is the wisdom from The California Solar and Storage Association :
1) Launch the One Million Batteries Initiative by 2030 to create economies of scale for energy storage devices and keep the lights on for everyday California homes and businesses in the face of ongoing blackouts and wildfires.
2) Launch a statewide Virtual Power Plants policy to tie those million batteries together into clean distributed power plants powerful enough to avoid California-sized blackouts like what occurred in mid-August.
3) Supercharge the state’s efforts to cut red tape and costs for consumers by streamlining and standardizing the construction of those million solar batteries across all building departments throughout the state, speeding up the deployment of safe, reliable, local energy.
4) Maintain existing policies and programs designed to build a sustainable local clean energy market in California such as net energy metering and building codes around homes and businesses.
All good ideas, but does anyone want to pay for them?
Hydro is dropping due to the lack of winter rains and battery storage for nighttime uses has got a long way to go before it is going to be of much help. Plus, everyone keeps saying that the state's transmission lines are getting really old and need a big upgrade to move the power from here to there. That new infrastructure is going to be very expensive and as usual no one wants to pay for it. ::)
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Solar doesn't need the big, old transmission lines.
And while battery storage has a long way to go, it's coming down in price to be competitive with peak electricity costs.
If everyone had an EV and Vehicle-to-House (not even Vehicle-to-Grid) we would have more than enough storage to meet the gap.
-Crissa