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Makes And Models => Zero Motorcycles Forum | 2013+ => Topic started by: mathandmetal on September 08, 2020, 07:43:53 PM
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Hi all,
I'm 49 and I'd never ridden until I decided to purchase a CSC City Slicker last year. That has a top speed of 46 mph which I seldom hit because the battery drains very, very quickly at max speed. I've enjoyed it a lot but only being able to squeeze about an hour for a joy ride while mostly staying to 35 mph roads has paled already. I would have had a lot of riding it into work this summer, except I've worked from home. So I'm considering getting a Zero for my coming birthday :)
I've been thinking the SR because it has the most range, but I'd love to hear other thoughts.
Zero's web site is not very helpful; it seems to focus on things like power and "coolness" that I don't care about, and it assumes everyone is a motorcycle veteran so no talk at all of why I might was a DSR vs an SR, etc. From other reading, I gather I'd want the DS line if modest off-roading would be my riding.
That's hard to say since I'm a new rider. I know I want to go on joy rides for 2-4 hours as I would in my car, but on a motorcycle instead :) That requires good range. This seems to narrow it down to the SR, SF/F, SF/S or DSR. Then my thoughts are:
SR - Most range, period. What's not to like about that?
DSR - Having the option for modest off-roading seems to be a good thing, but what's the down side if I end up never using that option?
SR/F vs SR/S - The windshield seems the main difference, right? I'm unsure about a windshield. It seems to me that would be worse for 85F+ riding in the summer, although better for 50F riding. And it might make 40F bearable?
I'm in Western PA outside of Pittsburgh, so there is a lot of hills to be had. I prefer scenic back roads over highways for that. While those roads tend to have speed limits of 45 MPH or less, at least some portions of 55 MPH highway riding is necessary to get to some nice spots.
I know Zero is marketed as a powerful bike, but it seems to me the torque and speed can be scaled back with the app to be appropriate for this fairly new rider, yes? Then I can push it forward as I gain more confidence.
Finally, I'm 5'11" at 180 lbs and a 33" inseam.
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With your 33" inseam, a DSR might be the ticket as it will provide a more comfortable seating triangle and your legs will not be as bent as they would be on the other Zero models. If you don't need the power, you can save some money by buying a S/DS model. I have found that my S has more than enough performance than I need under any type of normal riding.
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The F platform, SR/S and SR/F, will want to stay on pavement; the S platform, the DSR and SR, can do a little offroad, and is lighter.
The X platform is smaller again, but unless you stay offroad, it has the least range.
So really the question probably is, how many potholes and gravel lanes do you want to go through rather than around? The SR wants to always go around potholes, but is okay with the best gravel lanes.... but the DSR is okay with going through them.
-Crissa
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The FST platform bikes(SR/F,SR/S) have a few more niceties. Faster chargers, traction control, better suspension, better aerodynamics(especially on the SR/S) scheduled charging, more power, better dealer maintainability, better thermal management. Plus I suspect any major charger/battery upgrades to be coming to that platform or bikes based on it.
In any case, I'd find a Zero dealer with the bikes you're interested in and try it for yourself. :)
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With your 33" inseam, a DSR might be the ticket as it will provide a more comfortable seating triangle and your legs will not be as bent as they would be on the other Zero models. If you don't need the power, you can save some money by buying a S/DS model. I have found that my S has more than enough performance than I need under any type of normal riding.
The DS actually has slightly higher pegs than the S so his legs would be a bit more bent, but not a huge difference. The seat is a bit higher but that's due to the greater suspension travel, with a 33" inseam I imagine he'd be able to flat foot it (I'm on my toes at 30") so no issue there.
The disadvantage of the DS if you're staying on the road is the tyres won't have as much grip as those on an S and they will reduce range slightly. Of course you can change the tyres but that's additional cost, and with the larger 19" front wheel you have less options for pure road tyres.
Unfortunately for 2-4 hours riding at those sort of speeds you're going to be looking at a 14.4kW/h model, and because you're American you can't get the 14.4 S/DS but instead have to pay extra for the R model.
Windshields can be added to the S/DS models if you want some protection from the elements, and it will also increase your range. Not sure if there's one specifically designed for the SR/F (probably is) but a universal one is also an option. In addition to the fairings the SR/S also has different ergonomics (some say more comfortable) with lower foot pegs and higher bars, although you could put those on the SR/F if you wanted.
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I think Zero may(?) be announcing their 2021 models soon, so you might want to wait until then if you're not in a hurry. Being in Pennsylvania, your riding season is coming to an end anyway. You're in the perfect spot. Either get a deal on a year-end bike from your dealer (if there are any available), or wait until Spring when the new lineup comes out.
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I am anxiously awaiting the new models. Hoping they do it soon. I’m either going to get a LiveWire or SR/S.
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AF1 said September 15th is when dealers will be told about the new models so you shouldn't have long to wait.
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That date tracks with when the https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/custom/cash-for-carbon promotion ends...
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The FST platform bikes(SR/F,SR/S) have a few more niceties. Faster chargers, traction control, better suspension, better aerodynamics(especially on the SR/S) scheduled charging, more power, better dealer maintainability, better thermal management. Plus I suspect any major charger/battery upgrades to be coming to that platform or bikes based on it.
In any case, I'd find a Zero dealer with the bikes you're interested in and try it for yourself. :)
Ah, yes, reading about the advanced traction controls does seem to make that a plus in my book, especially as a novice rider who doesn't intend to push any envelopes.
The closest dealer is about an hour away. I'd stopped there last year to search for some riding gear to go along with the "baby" CSC City Slicker I was buying (mail order), but when they found I wasn't going to buy more than just some riding gear, they were not very helpful. In spite of the fact I'd mentioned I'm a first-time rider, no one even came over to help at all with selection of gear even after I stood looking for 15 minutes. It's not like they were busy - saw folks just standing around. So I went elsewhere to find some proper gear.
Hopefully they will be more helpful if you're looking to buy an actual bike, but we'll see. I had to go renew my motorcycle training permit yesterday, as I rather doubt they'd let me test ride anything using an expired training permit. I was scheduled for the PA motorcycle training and licensing exam for this year, but that program was cancelled by PA for now.
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Yeah, I got more help from the parts and service guys than the salesfloor people in every dealership I've been into.
Only Cyclegear had people who wanted to help me with gear, and I mostly wished their aisles were labeled.
I suppose it's a perverse incentive of commissions? I dunno.
-Crissa
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Do you get a charging cable with purchase of a new SR/F? I watched some You Tubers say its not included.
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Do you get a charging cable with purchase of a new SR/F? I watched some You Tubers say its not included.
I just picked up a new SR/F a week ago. It came with a charging cable. It's got a dual plug adapter that adapts to either a 110v or 220v outlet. I'm in Chicagoland.
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I just picked up a new SR/F a week ago. It came with a charging cable. It's got a dual plug adapter that adapts to either a 110v or 220v outlet. I'm in Chicagoland.
Can you please tell me how many amps it is rated at? I have been curious about that. It should say on the back.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Can you please tell me how many amps it is rated at? I have been curious about that. It should say on the back.
Looks to be 12A at 110 and 16A at 220?
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Looks to be 12A at 110 and 16A at 220?
Is yours the premium model with the 6KW charger? I assume not because:
120 x 12= 1,440 watts
120 x 16= 1,920 watts
240 x 12= 2,880 watts
240 x 16 =3,840 watts
I wonder if the granny cable is different for the 6KW premium model or if it will only charge at 3KW when used from a 240 VAC outlet.
-Don- Reno, NV
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The same cable is provided with standard and premium models ;) 3kW is the max you can charge with the stock cable and 240V outlet.
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It requires a 3 phase connection to use the second 3kW charger, only the first 3kW one can be used on a single phase connection.
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The same cable is provided with standard and premium models ;) 3kW is the max you can charge with the stock cable and 240V outlet.
I see. But you can use one of these for 6 KW (https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08BRQ5KQM/ref=twister_B08H15XCY7?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1) if you want 6KW home charging with a Premium model from an outlet.
-Don- Cold Springs Valley, NV
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It requires a 3 phase connection to use the second 3kW charger, only the first 3kW one can be used on a single phase connection.
This is only correct in the EU. The American models have all the chargers on the same phase, so three phase is not required.
You could easily get a different cable if you want to do 6kW, as DonTom suggests.
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Is yours the premium model with the 6KW charger?
Yes. I wasn't too terribly concerned about the charging cable from the dealer, tho, since I have two Tesla HPWCs in the garage and bought a TeslaTap to charge the bike.
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Yes. I wasn't too terribly concerned about the charging cable from the dealer, tho, since I have two Tesla HPWCs in the garage and bought a TeslaTap to charge the bike.
That is what I do as well. My Tesla wall Connectors are good for 11,520 watts (48 amps at 240VAC). I can charge my Zero SR at ~10KWs when at home, all from my 50 amp Tesla Tap.
Still not half as fast as my Energica will charge up while on the road!
-Don- Reno, NV