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Makes And Models => Harley LiveWire Forum => Topic started by: Richard230 on August 17, 2020, 04:05:49 AM
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Here is a short article about a fellow who rode across the U.S. on an H-D LiveWire electric motorcycle:
https://electrek.co/2020/08/14/harley-davidson-livewire-electric-motorcycle-3500-mile-cross-country-ride/
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Good stuff. We’re slowly getting to the point where ad hoc trips like this will be as easy as doing it on a gas bike. I applaud his willingness to somewhat “wing it” in regards to planning his charging stops. I’m not sure I would be up to attempting a trip like that without meticulous planning.
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Good stuff. We’re slowly getting to the point where ad hoc trips like this will be as easy as doing it on a gas bike. I applaud his willingness to somewhat “wing it” in regards to planning his charging stops. I’m not sure I would be up to attempting a trip like that without meticulous planning.
I wouldn't. I store the charge locations I expect to use in my Garmin GPS. If I were going that far, I would also use PlugShare while on the road.
BTW, I would rather do that trip across the country on your Ribelle any day. I wonder how many times he had to charge at ~1.5 KW. I doubt if he could find CCS everywhere he went across the county. He probably got stuck overnight at a few RV parks for his ten hour charge.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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Good stuff. We’re slowly getting to the point where ad hoc trips like this will be as easy as doing it on a gas bike. I applaud his willingness to somewhat “wing it” in regards to planning his charging stops. I’m not sure I would be up to attempting a trip like that without meticulous planning.
I wouldn't. I store the charge locations I expect to use in my Garmin GPS. If I were going that far, I would also use PlugShare while on the road.
BTW, I would rather do that trip across the country on your Ribelle any day. I wonder how many times he had to charge at ~1.5 KW. I doubt if he could find CCS everywhere he went across the county. He probably got stuck overnight at a few RV parks for his ten hour charge.
-Don- Auburn, CA12
When Electric Terry was riding back and forth across the country 8 years ago on his 2012 Zero he would usually stay at hotels for the night. Sometimes he would bring his Zero into the hotel's elevator and then into his room where he would recharge it over night. ::)
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When Electric Terry was riding back and forth across the country 8 years ago on his 2012 Zero he would usually stay at hotels for the night. Sometimes he would bring his Zero into the hotel's elevator and then into his room where he would recharge it over night. ::)
Did he sneak it in or get permission?
-Don- in 104°F Auburn, CA
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I put my Zero in the hotel as a party prop!
I sorta... Winged it. I said I needed to use the freight elevator for a 'wheeled prop' ^-^
Hehe.
They're always worried about fuel and oil but then are usually okay with batteries.
-Crissa
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Nice article but I didn't see how many days it took him to make the trip. Would love to know how many times he had to charge on L2/L1 compared to CCS.
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When Electric Terry was riding back and forth across the country 8 years ago on his 2012 Zero he would usually stay at hotels for the night. Sometimes he would bring his Zero into the hotel's elevator and then into his room where he would recharge it over night. ::)
Did he sneak it in or get permission?
-Don- in 104°F Auburn, CA
I don't recall that he said. But I wouldn't be surprised that he slipped it in somehow. Terry is nothing if not creative. ::)
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Nice article but I didn't see how many days it took him to make the trip. Would love to know how many times he had to charge on L2/L1 compared to CCS.
I asked this was well and Diego told me between Jun 3-21. So like 3 weeks. So like 166 miles per day.
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166 miles a day sounds like most of the charging was at L1 speeds. As in ride for 2 hours or so, charge for 8-10 hours, ride for another 2 hours or so and repeat this day after day. A few years ago I rode a section of the Blue Ridge Parkway on my Eva and cover 414 miles using only CCS charging. Pretty sure a Zero with 6.6 kw L2 charging would cover a lot more than 166 miles in a day.
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I literally just did 200 miles on an SR/F yesterday and could have done more if I had started earlier than 2:30pm.
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I literally just did 200 miles on an SR/F yesterday and could have done more if I had started earlier than 2:30pm.
I do around 200 miles on most of my rides.
I did my last 200 miles three days ago on my Energica. I took Hwy 80 to Truckee, down 237 on the west side of Lake Tahoe, to Hwy 28, to hwy 89 to back home on Hwy 50.
I did three CCS charge stops. Truckee Save Mart, South Lake Tahoe and Pony Express Trail Shell gas station at the Pollock Pines on Hwy 50. I checked into each on Plugshare, with photos.
I still had 50% SOC charge when I got home. Even the SS9- can go about as far as I can on a charge. Out here, the SS9- has all the range I need as there are CCS chargers everywhere around this area.
-Don- Auburn, CA (where they just added new CCS chargers at the Target Store on Bell Road).
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Yeah and most of them are free right now due to the Drive the Arc promotion.
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Yeah and most of them are free right now due to the Drive the Arc promotion.
I think that is just for CHAdeMO, not CCS.
Anyway, I was charged at each location:
Dear Donald,
Thank you for using the charging station at Aisle 1 Fuel Station South Lake Tahoe #177 - 1020 Emerald Bay Rd, South Lake Tahoe, CA. Your charge session has ended. The total duration of this session was 00:20:21 and the energy charged was 5.270 kWh. Your total cost for the session was $6.00.
For more information, please check your account on the EVgo App or in the driver portal.
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Thank you for being an EVgo customer.
Sincerely,
EVgo Customer Support Team
-Don- Auburn, CA
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$6 for 5KWh!!
<splutters coffee over keyboard>
Cas :)
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$6 for 5KWh!!
<splutters coffee over keyboard>
Cas :)
Yeah, CCS is more expensive than gasoline on a motorcycle because they charge for time as well as KWH.
But all the free slow charging at J1772 stns and cheap to charge at home helps keep the overall price down.
But I hear starting in 2021, at least in CA, they can only charge for KWH and not time. This is great news for electric motorcycles in CA.
See here. (https://electrek.co/2019/12/24/california-bans-per-minute-billing-tesla-superchargers-will-need-displays/)
-Don- Auburn, CA
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I think that is just for CHAdeMO, not CCS.
Incorrect. Download the Drive the Arc app, link it to your EVgo account, and enjoy sweet, sweet free CCS. See attached image. Anywhere with a green lightning bolt means free.
(https://i.imgur.com/2rR0J5m.png)
But I hear starting in 2021, at least in CA, they can only charge for KWH and not time. This is great news for electric motorcycles in CA.
See here. (https://electrek.co/2019/12/24/california-bans-per-minute-billing-tesla-superchargers-will-need-displays/)
That is not what it says. The law will be that any new DCFC stations installed in 2023+ must abide by the price per kWh instead of timed. By 2033 they must retroactively fix all old stations to comply with that as well.
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Incorrect. Download the Drive the Arc app, link it to your EVgo account, and enjoy sweet, sweet free CCS. See attached image. Anywhere with a green lightning bolt means free.
That means my entire ride the other day should have been for free. But NBD, as I think we need to support the chargers if we want more in more areas. But when is this special deal supposed to end? I will probably try it next time. In fact, I think I did download that app, but never used it.
That is not what it says. The law will be that any new DCFC stations installed in 2023+ must abide by the price per kWh instead of timed. By 2033 they must retroactively fix all old stations to comply with that as well.
Yeah, I noticed that also, right after I posted it. I think they changed it from more than a year ago when I first heard about it. I assume there were too many complaints from the charging companies and perhaps lawsuits. It would have especially screwed over Tesla with what they said they wanted at first. Tesla promises to never profit on their Supercharger network, which means the drivers will get screwed by the changes if they were forced to put meters on their old chargers. Any profit they make (including the fines for not disconnecting in time) goes back into the Supercharger Network to maintain and build more Superchargers.
-Don- Auburn, CA
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The law doesn't apply to free unmetered connections, Don, so Tesla had the least to worry.
I wonder, though, about all the point of sale units that have to be added, it was a huge giveaway to VISA.
-Crissa
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The law doesn't apply to free unmetered connections, Don, so Tesla had the least to worry.
Tesla SuperChargers usually are NOT free. But there are some special deals, such as six months of free Supercharging when I bought my Tesla M3. I think with some of their more expensive models, it is always free. But that is not the norm.
And even when free, it's certainly metered. IIRC, they simply credit the same amount back to my Tesla account. I have only used the free Supercharging two times. A couple of other times I had to pay, such as when I was in Mt. View to buy my Energica.
Tesla Destination Chargers are free and not metered. But that is paid for privately. Common in hotels, banks, some casinos, etc. And also in houses, like this one, as well as in my Auburn place.
-Don- Reno, NV
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A lot of people opted for Free SuperCharging for Life when purchasing their cars. We pressured our mom to do so when she got her Model X. It's funny, if there was a gas car out there that offered free gas for life people would be killing each other in the streets for it. But offer free SuperCharging for life? "Wellll... I dunno I just don't think I'll ever use it"
People are very smart and I've given up competing with their Giant Brains.
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A lot of people opted for Free SuperCharging for Life when purchasing their cars. We pressured our mom to do so when she got her Model X. It's funny, if there was a gas car out there that offered free gas for life people would be killing each other in the streets for it. But offer free SuperCharging for life? "Wellll... I dunno I just don't think I'll ever use it"
People are very smart and I've given up competing with their Giant Brains.
Add me to the list who will rarely use SuperCharging, free or not. Gas is a LOT different! It's more about the convenience with Tesla Owners. Do you have a gas station in your garage? I have EV chargers in each of my garages. Now add that into the fact that most people drive less than 40 miles per day. Not many have a need to charge their EVs on the road. But many do just because it is so often free (such as here in Reno with J1772) while they are eating in a casino or whatever.
I usually take my electric motorcycles farther than my Tesla and I often have to charge the bikes on the road because of the limited range. I will often be using chargers on the road with my EM-cycles, as I often go around 200 miles on every trip.
If we had gas stations in our garages, then very few car owners would get gas on the road.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Until the solar array is in place the electricity from the garage isn't free. You know what's free? The SuperChargers.
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Until the solar array is in place the electricity from the garage isn't free. You know what's free? The SuperChargers.
To me, it's the convenience, not the cost of home charging that makes the big difference.
However, here in Reno, home electricity is cheap. 11.7 cents per kWH. Twice that in Auburn, but just about everything is more expensive in CA.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Yeah, we have these things called 'trees' and 'population' and don't have steam just bubbling out of the rocks everywhere there's people.
We subsidize your power, basically.
-Crissa
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Convenience Fee
How much did you pay for something at your last concert or sporting event?
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Convenience Fee
How much did you pay for something at your last concert or sporting event?
🤣
-Crissa
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Would love to do a cross-country trip on my Ribelle - just waiting for retirement 🙄
300-400 miles/day would be no problem - my best so far is 550 miles in one day.
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300-400 miles/day would be no problem -
Until you try to get through NV on I-80. Fernley to the next charge station is 133 miles in Winnemucca. And much of the speed limit is 80 MPH with many going faster.
-Don- Reno, NV
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Fast charging stations are not where many of us prefer to ride, which is as far from interstates as possible.
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I have a hybrid fleet :-)
a LW for a 50-mile radius (tho' can extend with roadside fast charging)
an FXDXT + VRSC for a 500-mile radius
a V8 trike for a 1000-mile radius
;D
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The MoCo should give you a medal!