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[Skidz]

In NL free charging is rare as well, there are some Google Maps-efforts to collect them but then again, public charging at a price is widely available. Mostly costing between 0,30-0,40 per kWh which is reasonable. @home the costs are 0.26/kWh including everything.

@Ooook: Really?!? They are disassembling their highway chargers AND making it difficult to public charge?!? Thank God I chose a Tesla then, otherwise all of France would be a no-go for me this summer... What are they thinking? That electric is a fad that will blow over?

Protip for the other Europeans here: Some providers have a contract with Ionity meaning charge prices are 35ct/kWh, regardless if it's AC or DC. Check out the Maingau pass from Germany, charges 35ct/kWh at Ionity, Fastned and other networks!

[Crissa]

@Ooook: Really?!? They are disassembling their highway chargers AND making it difficult to public charge?!? Thank God I chose a Tesla then, otherwise all of France would be a no-go for me this summer... What are they thinking? That electric is a fad that will blow over?

https://www.electrive.com/2020/03/01/izivia-shuts-down-189-of-217-fast-charging-stations-in-france/

Looking at the news, it sounds like they bought custom boxes and that there's some sort of fault in how they're set up or installed and they think the chargers will catch on fire.  That's a pretty big loss.  That they're not looking to repair and only replace tells to some other weakness in their company, I think.  If they don't have the money, they don't have the money.

-Crissa

[JaimeC]

Prices will likely go up (both at home and on location) once more and more people have converted to EV.

And because of rising sea levels we get more rain and we'll get more CEL showing up on SR/F models

My price at home is locked in for the next 25 years.  That was part of the deal when we installed the solar panels in 2015.

[togo]

> In NL free charging is rare as well, there are some Google Maps-efforts to collect them ...

It's not as simple as unchecking the Requires Fee box in plugshare?

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[togo]

$.25 a kW is almost twice what I pay for it at home, BUT it is still a damned sight cheaper than paying for enough gasoline to get me the equivalent distance down the road.  I have no complaints.

I tell people public charging is about double the cost of home charging, and gasoline is about double the price of that.  Per mile. Holds pretty true for the fast DC networks and prices in California.  For L2 charging, prices vary more. Chargepoint station pricing varies the most.

[DonTom]

I tell people public charging is about double the cost of home charging, and gasoline is about double the price of that.  Per mile. Holds pretty true for the fast DC networks and prices in California.  For L2 charging, prices vary more. Chargepoint station pricing varies the most.

Often, it costs more to charge my Energica (CCS charging) on the road than the price of gasoline, but I often charge to 100% when on the road.

My TTSE usually gets around 52 MPG. That is the cheapest way for me to go 100 miles or more.

My home charging in Reno is 11.7 cents per KWH (by coincidence, the same as the KWH nominal capacity of the SS9 battery). However,  here in Auburn all utilities are more expensive than Reno, most  by more than double.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Richard230]

I just received my PG&E bill and noted that I am paying about 24 cents a KWh at the lowest tier.  And I just heard a prediction that electric rates could go up 40 to 50% once the utility company gets out of bankruptcy court, pays off its creditors and applies for money to implement safety improvements that hopefully will not cause any more huge fires. 

[togo]

> Often, it costs more to charge my Energica (CCS charging) on the road than the price of gasoline, but I often charge to 100% when on the road.

Yeah, per-minute EVgo and EA suck when you are only charging at Energica or LiveWire rates.

50kW EVgo with at Tesla gave only 43kW the other day, cost me about 36c/kWh, and that's at the reduced rate you get if you commit to 7.99/mo minimum.  So of course, if you are only drawing half that, the cost per kWh doubles, since they charge per minute.  I'll definitely favor ChargePoint for DCFC with the Energica.

Some EVgo stations have a discount via the DRIVEtheARC app though.  Have yet to try that.

[togo]

> I just received my PG&E bill and noted that I am paying about 24 cents a KWh at the lowest tier.  And I just heard a prediction that electric rates could go up 40 to 50% once the utility company gets out of bankruptcy court, pays off its creditors and applies for money to implement safety improvements that hopefully will not cause any more huge fires. 

Oh, man.  How credible is that prediction?

Lock in solar now, get Powerwalls.  I have powerwalls, but can't "island" till I get more solar.

Tesla announced a special deal on solar rental for PG&E territory.  Guaranteed to save you money, I think they said.  I think it was during fire/outage season this past summer.

[Richard230]

> I just received my PG&E bill and noted that I am paying about 24 cents a KWh at the lowest tier.  And I just heard a prediction that electric rates could go up 40 to 50% once the utility company gets out of bankruptcy court, pays off its creditors and applies for money to implement safety improvements that hopefully will not cause any more huge fires. 

Oh, man.  How credible is that prediction?

Lock in solar now, get Powerwalls.  I have powerwalls, but can't "island" till I get more solar.

Tesla announced a special deal on solar rental for PG&E territory.  Guaranteed to save you money, I think they said.  I think it was during fire/outage season this past summer.

The person making that prediction was interviewed on KGO radio this afternoon. She used to be the president of the California Public Utility Commission so she knows what she is talking about.

[Crissa]

Liability cash has to come from somewhere.  Can't come from people already paid by a company, for some reason.

-Crissa

[wavelet]

In France, free charging is extremely rare.
And public charge stations are dying fast :

• the main energy supplyer (Corri-door by EDF) just announced the closure of 90% of its 250 highway charge stations

?? That sounds crazy. They spent a lot to build the network, and just completed it 1-2 years ago; why would they do this?
IIRC they also received an EU grant; can they even close it down under the terms of the grant?[/list]

[Crissa]

the main energy supplyer (Corri-door by EDF) just announced the closure of 90% of its 250 highway charge stations

?? That sounds crazy. They spent a lot to build the network, and just completed it 1-2 years ago; why would they do this?

https://www.electrive.com/2020/03/01/izivia-shuts-down-189-of-217-fast-charging-stations-in-france/

Looking at the news, it sounds like they bought custom boxes and that there's some sort of fault in how they're set up or installed and they think the chargers will catch on fire.  That's a pretty big loss.

[wavelet]

the main energy supplyer (Corri-door by EDF) just announced the closure of 90% of its 250 highway charge stations

?? That sounds crazy. They spent a lot to build the network, and just completed it 1-2 years ago; why would they do this?

https://www.electrive.com/2020/03/01/izivia-shuts-down-189-of-217-fast-charging-stations-in-france/

Looking at the news, it sounds like they bought custom boxes and that there's some sort of fault in how they're set up or installed and they think the chargers will catch on fire.  That's a pretty big loss.

That would explain it, thanks.
I previously found a very brief mention that also had the word "security" and had me puzzled. i.e., they mean safety.

Still raises questions. Calling a network that's 4-5 years old "quite old" is weird;
and saying "We hope to keep a quarter of the network or 40 to 50 terminals" means mostly dismantling it (this was the largest DC charger network in France) -- if it's not worth fixing the problem (I'd expect the charging equipment manufacturer would be responsible), the original layout of the network as a whole would seem to be in question, and since there was significant public funding, a bit troubling as well.

[Crissa]

Well, if they were paid to built it, they probably don't have the money to rebuild the network.

In the US, a company admitting that their choice to change a standard unit would bring a huge amount of liability upon them.  It's probably similar in the EU on this point.

-Crissa