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[vinceherman]

Måns on the FB page posted a screen grab from the teaser video, along with the idea that it looks like a SR/F with a fairing.
Here is my attempt at a screen grab.

[Crissa]

Spouse says she needs to see the front to see if it was the mystery Zero she saw at night a few weeks ago in Santa Cruz.

It had a small, black fairing and soft white/blue lights along the edge of the cowling (like the color of a Zero screen)

-Crissa

That's the problem with the pedantism, Don.  There's two levels of DC charging and two levels of AC charging but as things stand, there are basically three levels of 'chargers':  One is an uncontrolled AC outlet, another is a supply that doesn't control the vehicle but advises, and then another that the supply does the logical switching.

Calling Level 2 DC charging a Level 3 charger is just not as much a misnomer as they want it to be.  It is the third level of charging, even if it's only the second of DC.

[T.S. Zarathustra]

I'll add my 2 cents to the discussion. 
Zero needs to clarify their naming conventions. As far as I can tell it is like this: S (Street), SR (Street Racing), FX (Super Moto), FXS (Stealthy Super Moto), DS (Dual Sport), DSR (Dual Sport Racing), FX (Motocross). SR/F (Street Racing/Moto??) SR/S (Street Racing/Stealth).
I am going to guess SR/S is a lighter, cheaper, SR/F, possibly with a smaller battery pack. But I'm probably wrong.  
As for fairing. Zero does not have to spend much to design a fairing. They are not in racing, so it does not have to have maximum efficiency.
Most of their design features are off-the-shelf. In any business it is common to have the OEM manufacturer design new stuff, like a motor, or new shape battery-pack, against a contract to purchase certain amount of items.
AC or DC charging are very similar, neither has a clear advantage just by being AC or DC. There are other factors in play. 

[Crissa]

SFX is the supermoto, the FX is the base X.  Their battery system they call Z-Force or ZF.

But yes, their naming convention leaves much to be desired.

-Crissa

[shayan]

Sticking to the topic, I took a couple of screenshots and edited them on Lightroom.

Does it looks like the front tire is 110 and/or 160 on the rear? Somehow it does not seem to look as big as the SR/F. Maybe it is a smaller (less powerful) version of the SR/F with a fairing and a sport bike like position.

You guys see anything else?

[enaef]

I wonder if Zero employees have the time to follow (and enjoy) all the guessing about their SR/S. Must be fun ... 

[KrazyEd]

Maybe they see what people are saying, then have a " shill " put in something to move discussion in the direction they choose

[MrBlc]

-snip-  There's two levels of DC charging and two levels of AC charging but as things stand, there are basically three levels of 'chargers':  One is an uncontrolled AC outlet, another is a supply that doesn't control the vehicle but advises, and then another that the supply does the logical switching.
-snip-

No.. There's 4 levels of charging where DC charging is only one of them..

[Crissa]

That's a great and yet another pedantic answer using yet another numbering system completely different.

Yeesh.

-Crissa

[MrBlc]

Actually, it's the standard.. so.. no..
The 4 modes of charging is defined in the rules and regulations of electrical installations (go figure..)

[Crissa]

Modes.  Yet another pedantism, different from the standard mentioned in the video.

Technical jargon using ordinals in different ways (their level 2 is kinda pointless)

-Crissa

[Hans2183]

looks like it has LED blinkers now also.

[wavelet]

Modes.  Yet another pedantism, different from the standard mentioned in the video.

Technical jargon using ordinals in different ways (their level 2 is kinda pointless)

-Crissa

It gets even worse because of the "Type 1" / "Type 2" plug designations, which also confuse people (yet another use of ordinals in a related context).
I think I've yet to see any discussion of charging that  goes on for any length without mutual misunderstandings. And then there are the non-numerical designations like fast / rapid / quick which are also meaningless -- I've seen editorializing about people who referred to DC 50kW charging as "quick" rather than "rapid".

Personally, I wish all these attempts to dumb down the terms would stop. There's no reason not to simply explicitly name the charger with "AC" or "DC" and its max wattage in numbers. That's enough to understand the driver/rider-relevant issues of charge time, range & cost.
That's something a 6th-grader can understand, and a person incapable of understanding it after a reasonable explanation maybe shouldn't be riding/driving anyway.

[MrBlc]

Don't mind agreeing with you on that one, as these arbitrary (and albeit similiar) was to label the various ways to do this simply ends up making it confusing for a lot of people.

I _think_ the idea was to make it "as easy" as filling gasoline..
Unfortunately, the variety of how electrical charging works makes it a lot more complex..
Still.. For most people it could be boiled down to a Wh value paired with the size of charge wanted.
Ie, if the cars charge display (because let's face it, that is the primary market for those that don't want to learn the intricacies) tells you [Charge needed: 24.4 kWh], [Charger speed: 3 kW], [Estimated time to 100%: -time calculated including top off/balancing] or [Estimated time to -set percentage value-: -time calculated]
Still easy to understand for those that don't want to learn or calculate themselves, yet much more understandable for those of us that understands kW/kWh relations..

[Richard230]

Personally, I think that every gasoline octane pump nozzle should have a different design and fit into a unique fuel tank opening on your car.