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[NEW2elec]

That's just it though no one tours in a Ferrari or any other super high end sports car because they suck at it.  I don't see any videos of guys hitting all 48 states on their V4 Panagale or Triumph Bonneville or custom bobber.  So why do we keep acting like Zero "must" be able to do this?
 Of course they can do it and it has been done by forum members but as a huge multi year undertaking.
I would love to be able to go much farther while going faster.  It would open more opportunities but it's not a deal breaker.

Go rent a real touring bike for those 2 long tour rides that people do in a year and use your electric bike for all your other real needs.

[Crissa]

I would point out that no, the vast majority of riding isn't several-hundred-mile jaunts.

It's trips to the grocery or commuting.

Just like American cars, people think about that once a year thing as if it were the majority of what they do the rest of the year.  It's not.

And as you guys buy the new ones, people like me can buy the used ones.  Maybe in five years our batteries will still be going and production will be cheaper and they'll go to even more people.

-Crissa

[Richard230]

The meets I go to (also in the UK) I'd say it's a fairly even distribution of ages, plenty of guys around my age (28) and below as well as guys in their 40s and 50s. You're right though that it's mostly the older guys with the expensive bikes, it's very rare that I'll see someone younger than me with a more expensive bike than my Zero and it's one of the cheapest models. The older guys ride the hell out of those expensive bikes too, rarely do they post up a ride on the Facebook group that would be a suitable distance for anything other than a top end Zero.

It seems to me that few people who frequent the BMW forums that I visit are under the age of 60 and a lot of them are over 70 and complaining about their medical problems. 

In SR/S news: I notice that the Electric Motorcycles News site has removed its short article and photo regarding the Zero SR/S.  Apparently, Zero is going after some sites that have leaked the news before they had a chance to do so and is asking them to delete the subject.  But they don't seem to have had much luck with getting YouTube to take down the SR/S video so far.    

You know how the internet is. Once it is out there you are screwed. Just ask any politician. 

[pacificcricket]

And my XMAX can do over 200 miles on the highway from it's 3.3 gallon tank.  So what?  The fact of the matter is that for 80% or more of my riding which is less than 100 miles a day my Zero is perfect.

And that's the thing - nearly every person who says "so what" has two (including Zero) or more bikes. I only have Zero, which means for certain longer trips I drive a car because Zero won't cut it.

[Crissa]

Nearly every person here has more than one motorcycle.

I do not, and I do not think range is a massive problem.  Because the vast majority of trips fits under the range of my five-tear-old Zero with the small battery.

-Crissa

[princec]

The majority of my trips fit under a 70 mile range, but a very large proportion of my annual mileage is touring (currently about 2500 miles a year, most trips well over 250 miles in a day). And I'm unusual in that regard because most people my age aren't using their bikes for short trips, they're only using their bikes for the touring jaunts.

Everyone else, all the kids with no money, they use TMaxs and Sinnis and Lexmoto and other assorted cheapo transport around London until it gets nicked, and then they give up on bikes and get the tube. There is a weird lack of much in the middle. Nobody's buying Panigales to go touring on because nobody's buying Panigales here. I've not seen a single one in the wild where I live (Somerset), but I've seen a whole lot of GSes.

Cas

[TireFryer426]

Maybe I'm an odd case, but the Zero is perfect for what I use it for.  I'm in a 3 season riding climate, and I don't depend on the SR/F as a primary mode of transport.  It is my only motorcycle.  My primary daily driver is a dually truck that runs on diesel.  My SO has a daily, and then between the two of us we have a few fun cars.  I ride the SR/F as much as I can when its warmer out.  DC charging was actually a turn off for me.  I live in an area where there are 3 DC stations in a 100 mile radius.  Maybe thats changed since Harley dealerships had to put them in.  Is 6kw charging super convenient?  No its not.  But the 3kw charging on an Energica would have made the bike non-usable for me.  6kw makes is tolerable, being able to dual j-plug at 12kw would be nice, but wouldn't change the way I use the bike much.
I use the bike primarily for commuting to work.  But because I don't like to get the truck out for short trips, I also use the SR/F for any errands that I can fit in a backpack.  Sometimes I ride to the next big city over where the dealership is, which is 65 miles away of mostly 75mph interstate.  I know when I make this trip that its going to take extra time to stop and charge.  And there is a slower route I can take that keeps me closer to 55 most of the way.  Its about a $30 trip if I use my truck.  Since I can charge for free, the round trip costs about $1 on the SR/F.  But its also keeping wear and tear off the truck.
I don't do big touring rides.  But I will go out for a few hours on a nice night and ride around.  I can stop any number of places to relax where there is a charger and let the bike top up for free.  If I'm not in the mood to mess with charging, I'll take a fun car out instead.  My point is that I'm not trying to force the bike to be something its not.  And I'm not upset that I can't use the bike 100% of the time.  I knew when I bought it that it had specific use cases and that there were things I wouldn't be able to do with it.  I love the bike.  I love it so much its sitting in my living room over the winter. 
Saying its rubbish because it doesn't have DCFC is a bit short sighted.  It might not fit your use case.  Thats fine.  It fits someone else's.  And I'd venture to say that with how many SR/F's they sold that DC charging wasn't the end all for a lot of people.  Even with their 20kw battery, I'm not hearing that Energica is backlogged for 6 months.  I don't see Livewires flying out of the dealerships.  And Lightning - I guess we'll see how all that shakes out.  I'm not saying anything bad about the other brands.  If my geography was different I'd have looked at Energica and Lightning.  And in 3-5 years I might.  I didn't buy the SR/F thinking it would be the last bike I ever buy.
I'm excited that they are coming out with a sport bike.  I kind of wish that they offered the fairings and the wind screen as an accessory option on the SR/F.

[princec]

I'm waiting patiently for a second hand SR/f to turn up I can justify owning one as a second bike but only when it's sensible money.

Cas

[enaef]

The video remains up so I suppose that either Zero doesn't care about it or they are off on a three-day holiday and will deal with it when they return to work.  Of course, by then it will be way too late.   

Meanwhile the video (the link to it) has been removed from this forum and from a fb-group called 'SR/S Fahrer D-A-CH' --> SR/S riders Germany, Austria, Switzerland (It puts a smile on my face that the group calls itself SR/S riders at that stage of information ...

However, Zero DOES care about it ... 

[togo]

Nearly every person here has more than one motorcycle.

I do not, and I do not think range is a massive problem.  Because the vast majority of trips fits under the range of my five-tear-old Zero with the small battery.

-Crissa

Once you have rapid charging and a sufficient number of stations, battery size is much less of an issue.  Stopping every 100 miles is a pretty good cadence for eating miles, and a charge rate of 2C+ (like Tesla and other competent cars and Energica can do) make stops about the right length for bathroom and coffee, and there's massive deployment of DCFC by ChargePoint+4000 Truckstops and ElectrifyAmerica right now, so I think we are getting there.

Zero's not in a good position for DCFC, but they are in a good position as the manufacturer with the most efficient drivetrain, I hope they can get on the DCFC ball soon, but in the meantime they are certainly doing a good job on generating excitement and sales of SR/f and SR/s.  I'd like to see some journalists write some comparison pieces measuring the highway efficiency of Energica vs Livewire vs SR/f.

[Crissa]

...DC charging was actually a turn off for me.  I live in an area where there are 3 DC stations in a 100 mile radius...

I hate to sound like Don, but there are no vehicles currently that can charge DC but not AC.  An Energica can charge from a J-plug, too.  At the same rate as a 'standard' SR/F does.

-Crissa

[TireFryer426]

I'm pretty sure I said that somewhere in that mess.  I have a premium with 6kw.  Its not an option on Energica.  I said the 3kw level 2 the Energica has just wouldn't work for me.  I can justify hanging out somewhere for an hour to get 60% back in the battery.  I can't justify waiting 2 hours for the same range on a 3kw system.  So - yes I understand that.
I'm not saying the Energica is bad, though.  I was about to buy one, dealer proximity be damned.  Was real close to pulling the trigger on the SS9.  Last year I waited to see what the hype was about on the SR/F, and decided that was the best direction to go for my geography.  If I was on the west coast - i might have followed through on the Energica. 

All I was trying to get across was that the bike isn't rubbish because it doesn't have DC.  I'm glad that there are options for people in different situations.

...DC charging was actually a turn off for me.  I live in an area where there are 3 DC stations in a 100 mile radius...

I hate to sound like Don, but there are no vehicles currently that can charge DC but not AC.  An Energica can charge from a J-plug, too.  At the same rate as a 'standard' SR/F does.

-Crissa

[Crissa]

Yeah, I hope DC infrastructure gets better.  It certainly would be pretty nice if I didn't have to carry a charger around at all . But that day is probably twenty years off.

-Crissa

[dittoalex]

[shayan]

Looks freakin good!