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[shayan]

I know it is late, but i will delete the post i made where i shared the video in this thread. I will leave the other 3 second video from the official website. That video can be seen on the last screen if you signup for updates on the SR/S.

[TheRan]

Why would you delete your post? Not that it matters when other people have shared it in new threads for some reason.

[pacificcricket]

What togo says is true. American motorcyclists as a whole put fewer than 3000 miles on their bikes a year. I've heard as low as 1000. On the other hand I've put 6500 miles on my Energica in 4 months. This is the kind of place you're going to find the outliers/freaks, though.

For many motorcycle is a toy, and outside of warmer states they often are grounded for most of the year. Add range / charging inconvenience to that, and definitely it's hard to shed the toy label. On the other hand my 6 year old DS has 32 thousand miles on it, all from commuting.

[wavelet]

I know it is late, but i will delete the post i made where i shared the video in this thread. I will leave the other 3 second video from the official website. That video can be seen on the last screen if you signup for updates on the SR/S.

Up to you of course, but since multiple motorcycle new sites have now re-published the leaked video, including  mainstream ones like MCN (one of the largest bike magazines worldwide), I wouldn't bother.
You weren't responsible for the leak or publishing the original video, or under an NDA.
It's not like this is going to damage Zero in any way -- they were going public in 9 days anyway, and now they'll get more media attention overall.

(Frankly, as someone who hates teaser campaigns, they deserved a leak.)

[Crissa]

Geepers, I've only put 2k miles in the last six months, and I've been using it for all my errands.

Our two bikes will take over about 70% of our miles in a year, it looks like.

-Crissa

[princec]

12kw charging might be good enough for now but it's still an hour of charging to get 70 miles which if we're all painfully realistic, is rubbish, and means that half the motorcycling population can't take it seriously. When you're looking at £20k+ for a bike you're not in the Tesla end of the bike market, you're in the Ferrari end of the bike market, and it's something you'll be aspiring to keep for probably many years as a Best Bike You'll Ever Own... which means it needs to be future proofed and ready to take advantage of new tech when it becomes available, which it will. When you can get a 70 mile charge in 15 minutes anywhere on the motorway in the UK people here will take it seriously as a touring machine, and if anyone hasn't noticed yet, here in the UK the people spending £20k on motorbikes aren't young people commuting to shitty jobs as baristas, they're old farts like me who ride to Scotland for a laugh over the weekend on BMWs that cost more than my family car.

So... that's why CCS or bust.

Cas

[shayan]

Sure, i have not broken an NDA or did anything wrong. But Terry was asked by Zero to remove my post from the facebook, so i did the same thing here
Also, i think we all knew what this bike was going to be from the pics last year, except we had not seen it in actual production yet.
Anyways we still do not know the entire specs except that it uses the 75-10 motor, has the ZF14.4kWh pack and that it shares the frame with the SR/F.

So not everything is spoiled yet!

[Richard230]

My BMW F800ST riding friend says that he won't take electric motorcycles seriously until they can go over 200 miles at freeway speeds on a single charge like his BMW can on a full take of gasoline.

[princec]

That's maybe a little lofty of an ambition... not many normal bikes can do 200 miles on a tank nowadays. I reckon he'd be happy with 150 if he could charge it in 30 minutes or less and be guaranteed to find somewhere that'll charge it wherever he goes eh. And that's veeery close to reality already... a high voltage 30kWH battery should do it, and I reckon we'll see them before the end of the 2020s.

Cas

[DonTom]

That's maybe a little lofty of an ambition... not many normal bikes can do 200 miles on a tank nowadays.

My Moto Guzzi can do 400 miles on its 8.5 gallon tank. My TTSE (6.6 gal) can do 350, my Harley around  300 miles (6 gal). All on the freeway.

-Don- Reno, NV

[TheRan]

That's maybe a little lofty of an ambition... not many normal bikes can do 200 miles on a tank nowadays.

My Moto Guzzi can do 400 miles on its 8.5 gallon tank. My TTSE (6.6 gal) can do 350, my Harley around  300 miles (6 gal). All on the freeway.

-Don- Reno, NV

Those are quite large tanks. Out of all the bikes reviewed by MCN only around 20% have a greater than 200 mile range, about 25% of those are adventure bikes and around 12% are tourers.

[enaef]

[…] and if anyone hasn't noticed yet, here in the UK the people spending £20k on motorbikes aren't young people commuting to shitty jobs as baristas, they're old farts like me who ride to Scotland for a laugh over the weekend on BMWs that cost more than my family car.

Of course – someone buying one of these machines is an early adopter, paying the price for belonging to the first ones and for the further development of the product, aiming at a deeper price in a mass market.

Also being such an 'old fart' as you put it, I'm in the favourable position of having not ridden a conventional bike so far. So all my ride planning quite naturally will play within the rules of 'electric-range'. I've done my commute of 50 km (one way) now for 14 years by a combination of bicycle, foot and train, taking nearly 60 mins from door to door. The commute by the e-motorcycle in good weather will include a small pass (Hauenstein).

For touring I will be fully aware of the limits; that I have to plan along charging stations and that I'll have to have my e-book reader with me in case of being bored while the bike gets a refill with electrons.

But I know that I will happily glide through the streets of the neighborhood, the countryside and woods, knowing, that the chance of annoying people and alarming animals with engine noise and emissions is far less than with a conventional bike.

[JaimeC]

And my XMAX can do over 200 miles on the highway from it's 3.3 gallon tank.  So what?  The fact of the matter is that for 80% or more of my riding which is less than 100 miles a day my Zero is perfect.  By riding the NEARLY maintenance free Zero, I put far less miles on my gas bikes which have expensive service intervals.  So not only do I save on gas and routine service by riding the Zero, I'm also saving a FORTUNE on service on the two gas bikes.

My K1200LT used to go in for service at least twice a year (6K service interval).  Now it goes in once every year and a half.  Not every ride is 700 miles, but when I am planning on such a trip, the LT is there.  Not every ride is over 100 miles either.  Most of them are far below that.

[princec]

A large majority of m/c usage here in the UK is, as I say, old farts like me, who use their bikes specifically to do 350 mile jaunts to the further corners of the British Isles several times a year. It's just how the market worked out here - the yoof have no money, and all the bikes cost 10 grand and an insane amount to insure, leaving just us old rich guys. I go to bike meets these days and I'm one of the few there who even have hair, and even what I've got left is going grey... I also notice there are far, far fewer sports bikes but we've known that the sports bike market here crashed over ten years ago and continues to circle the drain.

What with the pricing of electric bikes currently, unfortunately it's the exact same demographic that they have to appeal to, and while we've got the cash, we don't want to use them for commuting.

Muses... I can't help but wonder if Zero et al might not be wise to raise some VC in order to sell a lot more bikes but make very little profit on them until the price of the technology becomes affordable, in order to prise the market open and be in a position to exploit it. Just a thought. At £10k they'd sell 5x as many units here.

/bullshit rambling mode off

Cas

[TheRan]

The meets I go to (also in the UK) I'd say it's a fairly even distribution of ages, plenty of guys around my age (28) and below as well as guys in their 40s and 50s. You're right though that it's mostly the older guys with the expensive bikes, it's very rare that I'll see someone younger than me with a more expensive bike than my Zero and it's one of the cheapest models. The older guys ride the hell out of those expensive bikes too, rarely do they post up a ride on the Facebook group that would be a suitable distance for anything other than a top end Zero.