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[JaimeC]

VHS vs Betamax, anyone?  HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray?  LaserDisc vs DVD?

Always best to wait till there are standards before buying something expensive that becomes obsolete.

[DonTom]

Personally, I think that every gasoline octane pump nozzle should have a different design and fit into a unique fuel tank opening on your car.   

And motorcycles. My HD and Moto-Guzzi require the highest octane available. My other ICE bikes and all my cages only require 87. By habit, I have put in 87 octane in my Harley and MG countless times, including when I came back from Livermore  on my MG. It has a full 8.5 gallon tank of 87 when I should be using above 90. But I have not noticed any issues when I use too low of octane. But it's always by habit as I mean to use whatever the owner's manuals recommend.

If the wrong nozzle would not fit, it would solve this problem.  OTOH, I have seen gas stations that were out of only one type of gas, forcing me to use another.

-Don- Reno, NV

[DonTom]

VHS vs Betamax, anyone?  HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray?  LaserDisc vs DVD?

Always best to wait till there are standards before buying something expensive that becomes obsolete.

The problem here is that I will most likely be dead by the time they have a standard for DC fast charging.

But at least they do have the J1772 standard. Is there any EV made these days that cannot use J1772 in one way or another? I have used it on all four of my EVs.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

VHS vs Betamax, anyone?  HD-DVD vs. Blu-Ray?  LaserDisc vs DVD?

Always best to wait till there are standards before buying something expensive that becomes obsolete.

The problem here is that I will most likely be dead by the time they have a standard for DC fast charging.

But at least they do have the J1772 standard. Is there any EV made these days that cannot use J1772 in one way or another? I have used it on all four of my EVs.

-Don-  Reno, NV

Hence the reason I'm in no hurry to buy a bike with DCFC.  It would appear that CCS is rapidly becoming the standard, at least here in the US.  But my S charges up fast enough with the 6kW charge tank for now, and I have ICE bikes for taking longer trips when time is of the essence.  The XMAX gets me over 70 mpg, too.  If it weren't for the fairly maintenance intensive CVT, it would almost be as cheap to operate as the Zero.  At less than half the price out of the dealership, it did get a good head start, though.

[TheRan]

Faired bike confirmed

[DonTom]

Hence the reason I'm in no hurry to buy a bike with DCFC.  It would appear that CCS is rapidly becoming the standard, at least here in the US.  But my S charges up fast enough with the 6kW charge tank for now, and I have ICE bikes for taking longer trips when time is of the essence.  The XMAX gets me over 70 mpg, too.  If it weren't for the fairly maintenance intensive CVT, it would almost be as cheap to operate as the Zero.  At less than half the price out of the dealership, it did get a good head start, though.

All the chargers they have been installing at many of the Wal*Marts are CCS. What surprises me that so few of the Wal*Marts have J1772 which all EVs can use, even Tesla. The only Wal*Mart where I have seen J-1772 was in Oak Grove, CA.

With CCS in the EV, you can always use J1772 charging stations, of course. Perhaps that is why it is so common. CCS is everywhere from Reno west and a few places east. But eastern NV doesn't have much of anything. Even gas stations are rare out there.

-Don-

[togo]

What did the SR stand for?

-Crissa

R suffixes traditionally are for higher performance ("race"?) versions. S and DS are Streetfighter and Dual Sport, I think.

[pacificcricket]

Here it is somehow:

Russians couldn't wait, and fetched the promo video out of HQ

[wavelet]

Here it is somehow:

Russians couldn't wait, and fetched the promo video out of HQ

Might be fake, but then I don't see the point -- this is very much what many of us thinking. Same "75-10" motor with same peak power/torque specs as the SR/F; same capacity pack.
While the video calls the bike a sportbike, it also stresses pillion space and non-aggressive riding position, which means it's conceived as a sport-tourer. 
The big Q's are the range at highway speed & "combined" -- I guess we'll find out in 10 days.

I wonder if the video will be taken down when Zero find out...

[shayan]

Here it is somehow:

Russians couldn't wait, and fetched the promo video out of HQ

Might be fake, but then I don't see the point -- this is very much what many of us thinking. Same "75-10" motor with same peak power/torque specs as the SR/F; same capacity pack.
While the video calls the bike a sportbike, it also stresses pillion space and non-aggressive riding position, which means it's conceived as a sport-tourer. 
The big Q's are the range at highway speed & "combined" -- I guess we'll find out in 10 days.

I wonder if the video will be taken down when Zero find out...

Just did some quick digging on the Zero website and landed here:
So looks like the bike isnt fake fore sure. Dont think the video is fake either. I guess it would be taken down tomorrow or so when its morning here in CA.

[enaef]

I'm totally sure the video shows the real SR/S as it looks exactly the way the Zero representative from the European headquarter (Amsterdam) told me in November at the EICMA.

Big question is the price and the availability. A Swiss Zero dealer mentioned fall.
Another interesting question might be, if an SR/F can be 'upgraded' to an SR/S.

May be they are better prepared for a big demand than they were for the SR/F. Or the SR/S leads to an even higher demand ...  who knows.

Looking at Zeros employment site with its open positions I'd say that this shows the signs of a truly growing company. However, this isn't my turf; I'm a complete laymen regarding production and business development.
https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/company/employment

[wavelet]

I'm totally sure the video shows the real SR/S as it looks exactly the way the Zero representative from the European headquarter (Amsterdam) told me in November at the EICMA.

So it's most likely real, as expected. I expect this will give Zero a sales boost, depending on range& price. I also hope they've also been thinking about hard luggage options -- IIUC, there's no off-the-shelf hard luggage solution for the SR/F yet, and the SR/S certainly needs one for long trips.
Soft luggage is always an option, but not the same thing.

Big question is the price and the availability. A Swiss Zero dealer mentioned fall.

Next Fall? 8-9 months from now? Seems a bit too far away to announce now. I suspect there might be lots of potential customers who would delay purchases & wait, if so.
I'd expect 2-4 months, in time for the Spring riding season. After all, their standard annual time to announce model changes is towards the end of the calendar year, but they didn't do it this time.
Also, presumably, the frame & drivetrain & charging aren't changed from the SR/F at all, likely ditto suspension & brakes, so it's not a huge project in itself, although it would have needed lots of testing, simulations, wind tunnel work etc. (I hope there'll be a 15%+ highway range improvement from the unfaired bike, maybe even 20%).
I'd expect the charger & Power Tank situation to be the same as with the SR/F Premium.

Another interesting question might be, if an SR/F can be 'upgraded' to an SR/S.

I'd expect technically yes, but probably not cost-effective, and not supported by Zero (as in, they're not going to sell the fairing and other needed parts separately).

May be they are better prepared for a big demand than they were for the SR/F. Or the SR/S leads to an even higher demand ...  who knows.

Depending on the actual range & price, this may finally open up the non-commuter market.
I think Zero knows they have a problem w.r.t. Energica at present (except for fleet sales), in terms of charging & range, so it'll be interesting to see how they approach selling the SR/S .

Looking at Zeros employment site with its open positions I'd say that this shows the signs of a truly growing company. However, this isn't my turf; I'm a complete laymen regarding production and business development.
https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/company/employment[/url]

Yes, that's very encouraging -- as is well known, they have a problem with customer support, and most of those positions have to do with logistics & QA.
Significantly, they're hiring a VP Operations, which I don't think they had previously, and the detailed job description is instructive:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/view/vp-of-operations-at-zero-motorcycles-inc-1656976413/

[enaef]

[…] I also hope they've also been thinking about hard luggage options

At the dealership I was told, that they will offer that. They spoke about sorts of a Sports Tourer.

Next Fall? 8-9 months from now? Seems a bit too far away to announce now. I suspect there might be lots of potential customers who would delay purchases & wait, if so.
I'd expect 2-4 months, in time for the Spring riding season.

It might well be that my dealer was cautious about that after the experience with the SR/F, where some customers had to wait for their bike until near the end of the last season. Zero felt really uncomfortable about that according to the EU Zero representative.

Also, presumably, the frame & drivetrain & charging aren't changed from the SR/F at all, likely ditto suspension & brakes. […]  I'd expect the charger & Power Tank situation to be the same as with the SR/F Premium.

I also expect that, as it is what I was told at the EICMA and what was confirmed by my Zero dealer about two weeks ago.

I'd expect technically yes, but probably not cost-effective, and not supported by Zero

Higher handlebars and lower footpegs for a more comfortable riding position at least would be nice …

[wavelet]

Also, presumably, the frame & drivetrain & charging aren't changed from the SR/F at all, likely ditto suspension & brakes. […]  I'd expect the charger & Power Tank situation to be the same as with the SR/F Premium.

I also expect that, as it is what I was told at the EICMA and what was confirmed by my Zero dealer about two weeks ago.

Good! (Expected, but still good to have it confirmed).

I'd expect technically yes, but probably not cost-effective, and not supported by Zero

Higher handlebars and lower footpegs for a more comfortable riding position at least would be nice …

The video seemed to imply that.
What I don't understand is why any bike manufacturer would design a motorcycle these days without adjustable seat height & footpegs (except extreme sportbikes and the cheapest models). It can't cost very much to add if designed in advance, and ergonomics are a key part of the buying decision for every rider I know, irrespective of riding type. Needing to invest in 3d-party seats is ridiculous.

This is especially relevant to low-volume expensive bikes, like all electrics.

[Hansi]

I think it's disappointing if they haven't done anything about the charging speed. I don't really see the point in a touring bike if charging takes 2 hours. I think Energica will outsell Zero because Energica offer DC charging and bigger battery packs.