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[Fran K]

200 mph capability means 200 mph tires.  They ride hard don't they?

This has a frame that is the battery compartment and the reduction gear and swingarm attach to the battery/frame.  At least how I read it, and they won't show any cut away pictures.

I look at the video of the moving handlebars and footpegs and think.
The idea should be to have a dead air space for the head in the tucked position and a clean air space in the upright position.  I have my doubts about clean air in the upright position.

[NEW2elec]

Well it may never hit the road but I do like what they are claiming.  They also want people's feedback.  Here is a link if anyone is interested.

https://damonmotorcycles.com/beta

[NEW2elec]

Well the 25 Premier bikes at $40k are all sold out, reserved wise.
This company is looking better and better guys.  We may have a winner.

[MVetter]

I was told they have also removed the word "gullible" from the dictionary.

[NEW2elec]

Harsh, but they have already shown me more than Lightning.

Feel free to go way back in the Energica pages and read some of the old posts.  I want to say they had been out for over a year selling $40k Egos and at the time of their IPO had sold a total of 8 bikes.  They only had one U.S. dealer which was Hollywood Electrics.  They came down on their prices, as you might see I kept posting that they needed to, and their sales went up, and the Eva came out, and they keep getting better.

Damon might fall apart and never have bikes on the road, that's true, but a lack of support will kill any company.

[Richard230]

What really caught my eye in this report on the Damon (  https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-hypersport-unveiled-at-ces ) is the claim of a 161 mile range at a steady 70 mph and that the bike can recharge from an L2 outlet in only three hours.  Someone tell me that those two statements are not BS.    

What size battery would be needed to travel for 161 miles at a speed of 70 mph and how long would it take to charge that battery pack at L2 rates? 

[Doug S]

What size battery would be needed to travel for 161 miles at a speed of 70 mph and how long would it take to charge that battery pack at L2 rates?

You could accomplish that, but it would require some very diligent streamlining. If you could halve aerodynamic losses, which should be possible with extreme, world-class streamlining, my 2014 Zero SR (with 2016 14.4 kWh battery) could double its range, putting it in that ballpark. And it can do a full recharge in under two hours with my Diginow. A 20 kWh battery, which Energica already has, would do it and still recharge in under three hours.

Sure doesn't look like this bike has that kind of streamlining, however. Barely any at all.

[wavelet]

What really caught my eye in this report on the Damon (  https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-hypersport-unveiled-at-ces ) is the claim of a 161 mile range at a steady 70 mph and that the bike can recharge from an L2 outlet in only three hours.  Someone tell me that those two statements are not BS.    

What size battery would be needed to travel for 161 miles at a speed of 70 mph and how long would it take to charge that battery pack at L2 rates?

Well, In Europe the onboard  L2 chargers on BEV cars are usually 7.2kW if single-phase, and L2 EVSEs mostly support that (residential ones as well as public ones, since they're all 230/240V). If using the common "charging to 80% SoC" metric (before the serious taper starts), 3 hours wouldn't be unreasonable for a ~20kWh battery (probably 18kWh net usable). Of course, using Euro conditions without explicitly saying so would be sneaky... 

[Fran K]

What really caught my eye in this report on the Damon (  https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/damon-hypersport-unveiled-at-ces ) is the claim of a 161 mile range at a steady 70 mph and that the bike can recharge from an L2 outlet in only three hours.  Someone tell me that those two statements are not BS.    

What size battery would be needed to travel for 161 miles at a speed of 70 mph and how long would it take to charge that battery pack at L2 rates?

You have to specify the altitude.  I suppose the tires.    One should be able to recharge it at a residence with a 200 amp service given enough  l2 sockets are available.

What I see is an awful lot required fields to fill out on the link for "feedback" a few posts back.

We could see things like this, really proprietary, lots of fine print to  about information gathered similar to get into the Tesla self driveng options.  And a removable battery not so proprietary choice down the line.

[NEW2elec]

Here is "reserve" section of their page.

https://damonmotorcycles.com/reserve

If you scroll down and see the bike colors that the people picked out and click on a bike it shows the specs.
A 21.5 kWh battery, 7kW level 2 charging and >25kW DC fast charging.
Sounds familiar.   

Sure it could fall through but it at least looks like a real try to me.

[Sklith]

Only thing Energica doesn't have is the 7kw charger, I suppose they didn't go for a faster one to save weight.

[NEW2elec]

Well ummm
Claimed* 200hp over 200mph top speed, 200 miles highway (60mph) and 300 miles city range. Plus 0-60 sub 3 seconds and 0-100 sub 4 seconds.
Rear camera, 360 object warning sensors, two riding positions changeable on the fly.  Oh and under 500 pounds.

So maybe a bit more than just 1 extra kw of charging.

[wavelet]

Well ummm
Claimed* 200hp over 200mph top speed, 200 miles highway (60mph) and 300 miles city range. Plus 0-60 sub 3 seconds and 0-100 sub 4 seconds.
Rear camera, 360 object warning sensors, two riding positions changeable on the fly.  Oh and under 500 pounds.

So maybe a bit more than just 1 extra kw of charging.

The claim is 200kg, so 440 pounds or less (curb weight). That's on a bike with lots of sensors & cameras, servos for ergnomics, large battery, very high-performance motor (last two also require active cooling system, as in liquid). And on a bike delivered to customers this year...
I'll believe it when I see it.

[Richard230]

Like I said before, sounds like BS to me.  I still think the BS is aimed at potential investors and not future customers, though.

[NEW2elec]

If a year ago someone would have said Energica could almost fully double their battery capacity AND make the bike lighter I think we would have called BS on that as well, but it's happening.

Again I'm not putting my stamp of approval that this Damon bike is 100% legit and perfect but we have been promised these types of jumps in technology for years so I'm not fighting the idea that it's on it's way.

They won two CES awards.  So how much proof testing did the people at CES do?  We'll see in the coming year if they gain momentum.