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[SebfromBE]

Hi,

Following the unveiling of the new models, my dealer here in proposing a deal on 2019 Eva107.

Quite nice bike. Full carbon extras, Windscreen, 12V outlet,... I am hesitating to go for it: He is proposing like at a 25% price cut compared to the 2020 model (of course then also, with the smaller battery).

I did a test drive and for sure, that's a different planet compared to my current S 2017

Questions I have:
1) A bit scared on range. At the moment I am averaging typically ~ 170km/charge with my S 2017 (with the 13kWh battery pack). I fear a bit with the smaller pack (especially long time. Any high mileage Energica have experienced range reduction?
2) Anybody know if there is anything new in the 2020 bikes aside from the battery & slight weight reduction? Like new controller or else, ...?
3) In the end, this offer brings it about ~ 2500E  cheaper than a similarly equipped (except the carbon parts) EsseEsse9 with the big battery...So... anybody has an experience comparing the EVA107 vs the EsseEsse?

Thanks in advance for your input... The test drive really got me, so just now have to be sure on best choice to make. Since the power of the bike is now clearly enough, I expect to keep the bike for longer...

[Sklith]

The Eva actually has a higher nominal capacity over the 13 kWh Zero S: 11.7 kWh vs 11.4 kWh. You really shouldn't see reduced range unless if you travel at higher speeds than before.

[BigPoppa]

My personal best on my 2020 (US) EsseEsse9 is about 88km from 100% down to about 5% at about 96kph. No reduction in range in nearly 8000 km but i have noticed warmer weather gives me a bit more range than cold weather. Maybe as much as a 10% bump but that’s not a scientific measurement.

The latest bikes’ improvements over mine are the larger 21kw battery, slightly lower weight and the option for a keyless ignition. The new Ribelle also uses the same side cases as the EsseEsse9 instead of the smaller side bags that were offered for the Eva107.

When I bought my EsseEsse9 I was on the fence between the Eva107 and the EsseEsse9. In the end, the comfort of the EsseEsse9 won out. I’ve since found out that as far as the new Ribelle goes, the EsseEsse9 footpegs and bars will bolt right on so you could get the same EsseEsse9 rider geometry on the new Ribelle. I would guess the same holds true for the Eva107 but I haven’t confirmed.

[SebfromBE]

Hi Bigpoppa,

Thanks for your insights. Since you seem to have tested both Eva & EsseEsse, any comment aside from the riding position? Any difference in riding experience with respect to power delivery?

Cheers,

Seb

[BigPoppa]

There was a noticeable difference in power between the Eva107 and the EsseEsse9. At the time, I didn't feel like it was enough of a difference that I would miss it. I still don't miss the power of the Eva107 BUT I do plan on moving to one of the new bikes with the larger battery and when I'll do I'll move up to the Eva Ribelle for the added benefit of more power now that I can get a riding position similar to the EsseEsse9 fairly easily.

It's just a power junkie thing. You never regret having more power...lol.

[NEW2elec]

Hi, SebfromBE

Zero owner here, but the advice is the same.  If it's only a 2500E difference between the 19 Eva and the large battery SS9 I would go with the SS9 easy.  Since 2500E won't buy you a replacement 13kWh battery, paying the little bit extra to get almost a doubled battery capacity is really a no brainer.
The bigger battery will of course go farther and handle heat better and will be much more desirable at resale time.

[SBK74]

My dealer has ridden the new models. performance is blistering.  He says the 200 NM torque of the new Esse equals the feeling of the current Ego/Eva 107, despite being still listed as 80 KW. Not even to mention the torque of the New Eva Ribelle, which he described as scary.  He says the 15 kg weight reduction has also come from the top of the battery, so really noticeable. In general I can say that Energica batteries really hold up well; controller and parts quality is another level than you are used to now     

If you like the Esse to begin with, I would go for the 2020

[MVetter]

The Eva actually has a higher nominal capacity over the 13 kWh Zero S: 11.7 kWh vs 11.4 kWh. You really shouldn't see reduced range unless if you travel at higher speeds than before.

Zero's 14.4 is 11.628kWh nominal. Zero's 13.0 is 10.6kWh nominal. 104Ah pack x 102V nominal = 10608Wh or 10.6kWh

[SBK74]

@SebfromBE if you manage 170km on 10,6 kWh nominal as an average, kudos for your wrist discipline. Are you from Belgium Btw?

[wavelet]

The Eva actually has a higher nominal capacity over the 13 kWh Zero S: 11.7 kWh vs 11.4 kWh. You really shouldn't see reduced range unless if you travel at higher speeds than before.

Battery capacity is hardly the only thing that matters.
Different motors, reduction gear vs. direct drive, Different regen schemes & profile customization options.
not to mention 280kg vs. 185kg curb weight...

[DonTom]

Hi, SebfromBEThe bigger battery will of course go farther and handle heat better and will be much more desirable at resale time.

Don't get fooled by the KWH rating. With batteries such  KWH ratings changes with the  load. The new battery is a different design than the old.

While it gets 100% better range than the old battery at slow speeds, it's only 40% better at higher speeds by Energica's own specs.

It is very possible that the old battery gives better range than the new at even higher speeds. And most of us do not buy Energicas for their slow speed range.

And why does a larger KWH battery charge slower per mile than the old? 

It seems rather obvious that they are rating their KWH with the new battery where they can claim the very best numbers, which may not be how we ride.

IOW, you cannot always compare a KWH to a KWH between different batteries. Games can be played with specs. I would like to see the large gain at the higher speeds, not the lower.

The new battery gives more reason to go slow than the old, because there is a lot more range gain by going slower with the new battery than the old.

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)

[MVetter]

And why does a larger KWH battery charge slower per mile than the old? 

The new bike charges at the exact same speed as the current bikes.

Brandon and I are planning on doing certified range tests comparing everything out there available in the US. This includes 13.4 and 21.5 Energicas, the LiveWire, and the SR/F. We'll start doing this next year. Until we have data there's no reason to assume anything.

[Crissa]

You can't get 100% better at high speeds by doubling the battery size.

That's not how batteries work.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

The new bike charges at the exact same speed as the current bikes.

Both batteries can handle a charge up to 26 KW?   I am only asking about the CCS charging, I realize the on-board charges at 3 KW on each (240 VAC).

Brandon and I are planning on doing certified range tests comparing everything out there available in the US. This includes 13.4 and 21.5 Energicas, the LiveWire, and the SR/F. We'll start doing this next year. Until we have data there's no reason to assume anything.

Thanks! But until then, all we can do is guess and make assumptions based on what Energica has said so far about their new battery.

Patiently waiting for your test rides.  Only  then will  I will stop all my guesswork and assumptions.

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)

[MVetter]

Both batteries can handle a charge up to 26 KW?   I am only asking about the CCS charging, I realize the on-board charges at 3 KW on each (240 VAC).

Correct.