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Author Topic: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.  (Read 5523 times)

DonTom

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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #15 on: November 23, 2019, 04:56:19 AM »

Has anyone gone 80 miles at 70mph on a charge? I haven't. I'd say it's closer to 65-70.
I never ran mine down to zero. And even at a 0% SOC, there are probably still several miles left. Hard to say what the range is on any electric bike. Too many variables, IMO.

Go downhill far enough with the wind behind you and you will probably get the 80 miles at 70 MPH on a warm day. :)

I get range anxiety at 20% SOC left in most areas. Ever get below 0 SOC on yours?

-Don- in sunny clear  Payson, AZ (RV)
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #16 on: November 23, 2019, 05:09:27 AM »

I've gotten it down to 2% before. Brandon has gone to 0% but no surprise there.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #17 on: November 23, 2019, 06:14:52 AM »

Several of us have gone to 0, and no, there aren't necessarily any miles left. It's not like a gas tank indicator that way. In fact, some of us had the experience of being at a few percent left, a sudden jump to 0, and stopping dead.

Then again, that experience was a few firmware changes ago. But I wouldn't make any assumptions down in the very low percentage range.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #18 on: November 23, 2019, 08:14:07 AM »

MVetter,

At 70 MPH the range of an Eva is about 55 miles. I have friends in Knoxville, TN who live about a mile or so from I-40. Left there house at 100%. Got on I-40E and kept a steady 70 MPH. Pulled off for a DCFC at 40 miles, remaining estimated range was about 15 miles.

I have went 80 miles before on a single charge but average speed was low.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #19 on: November 23, 2019, 08:15:46 AM »

Lending more credence to my simple explanation.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #20 on: November 23, 2019, 10:48:56 AM »

Only if the new numbers are right.
Which we just don't know yet.

Ultrarnr glad to see you get in on this.  Any chance your going to upgrade or wait a bit?

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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #21 on: November 23, 2019, 03:56:10 PM »

NEW2elec,

Yes I am definitely planning on upgrading. Last year when traction control came out I really wanted it but overall it wasn't worth it by itself. The increase in battery size it pretty hard to ignore. EA has put in a lot of chargers on the east coast and in some cases the increased battery size means you can ride on the interstate instead of taking side roads at a much slower speed. It would also be awesome going out to western NC but that is being countered by Greenlots shutting down most of their DCFC in North Carolina.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #22 on: November 23, 2019, 09:41:28 PM »

Cool, another Eva I'm guessing.  I keep waiting for Walmart to start putting DC stations or any stations in down here like they have in other parts of the country.
Looking at the Plugshare map I did see one Harley dealer has one so they must be a Livewire dealer.
Let us know how it goes.  You've been a customer for quite a while now you should be able to have your name at the top of the waiting list.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #23 on: November 24, 2019, 12:03:23 AM »

The increase in battery size it pretty hard to ignore.
But IMO, it's not clear if it's a real increase at higher freeway speeds.

What I see in the specs is that there is a larger gain of going slower than there was before. The difference at 80 MPH on the new battery and old is far from being clear.  I do not doubt the big increase of low speed range.  But I like my SS9 for higher speeds and there is it not real clear how large of an improvement (if any) the new battery is.

After the new battery becomes commonly used on the road, I will be checking here to see what the increase really is in freeway range (above 70 MPH). If it is really a reasonable increase, I too will be looking for an upgrade. I really do NOT care about the low speed range of the SS9, and that is where it is a 100% increase by their specs. My SS9 is mainly for the freeways. I use the Zeros for slower stuff.

Also, the older battery charges a little faster than the new.

I will wait until the bike with the new battery  is common on the road before making any decisions.

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #24 on: November 24, 2019, 12:06:32 AM »

Don't worry, friends. We'll report everything we find as soon as we get our grubby mitts on one, but it will be after IMS NY.
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« Reply #25 on: November 24, 2019, 04:42:15 AM »

Don't worry, friends. We'll report everything we find as soon as we get our grubby mitts on one, but it will be after IMS NY.
What I want to see is BOTH bikes take the same trip at the same high speed (75-80 MPH) and see what happens when the SOC gets below 5%  on one and then compare. Even better would be if they can both be ran until totally dead after a full charge.

-Don-  In sunny warm Payson, AZ (RV)
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #26 on: November 24, 2019, 05:10:49 AM »

Can do
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #27 on: November 24, 2019, 12:42:13 PM »

Hey don't stop there. Do like they do in horse racing.  Weigh the riders with their gear and add weight to the lighter guys so it's as even as can be.
Now throw a Zero SRF 14.4 in the mix and a SR with a power tank.  Add a Live Wire if you can. 

Oh and a Strike too.    ;D   LOL

But seriously I'd love to see the results in the real world.  It would show a snap shot in time and advancement of electric motorcycles.
Show it from the owners and not "motorcycle journalists" who get the specs wrong every time.

A gentleman's agreement of upright riding and only windscreens offered by the company can be used everything else stock.  Maybe until the bike's range shows 10 miles left for safety's sake.
A quiet rolling group of guys bringing in a new day.
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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2019, 06:07:47 AM »

Yeah, put water bottles in the lighter guy's jacket, and then swap guys and do the trip again so we can average it. ^-^

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Re: The new 21.5 KWH vs. the 13.4 KWH battery.
« Reply #29 on: November 26, 2019, 06:28:52 AM »

It makes a lot of sense the 80 mile range is an old number they published and never corrected, and the 112 mile range is what they're actually getting now. Simple question:

Has anyone gone 80 miles at 70mph on a charge? I haven't. I'd say it's closer to 65-70.

I would agree with that. I am 60-70 depending on temp and terrain.
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