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[Curt]

So L2s at the mall (a destination) are impractical, but L2s belong at destinations.  Fast charging is for long distance travel, but are being installed at grocery stores.

Yes, and I realized this after getting an EV car in March. When going to the mall or grocery store (even movie theater), plugging in is extremely low priority. Those are not commute destinations, and when arriving the car will rarely be low on charge. Maybe it matters to someone who has no place to plug in at home or work, but then they're also die-hards. And when attempting to make a road trip, fast chargers are a necessity unless the trip is allowed to take 3x longer with overnight stays. Tesla is the best case, but still not convenient. When someone manages to drive an EV a thousand miles they feel impressed enough to post a YouTube video about it.

[MVetter]

Yet another opinion:

jesus

There are so many flaws with the things said in this video

[centra12]

Let's be honest for once!

The Zero SR/F was developed exclusively for the USA. Whether the sales figures in this country will ensure the survival of Zero remains to be seen.
As far as the battery warranty is concerned, it is so that the motor was the limiting factor until now and the battery has not yet been properly demanded. That might not be now with the SR/F any more the case above all in Germany not. Also the auxiliary chargers of the 12KW Zero must show first of all that they are not as susceptible as the present ones.
A higher voltage simply preserves the components that is simply so!!!! 
Zero has neither the money nor the competence to go this way.   

[NEW2elec]

Hmmm where to start.
Ok MVetter, yes the video was too early since the new battery makes a huge difference.  I haven't seen one of these motorcycle review guys get the power tank OR charge tank options right yet.  It's 200 miles city range OR 1 hour charging not both.
There are posts in the Energica section that do seem to show a price increase for the bigger battery which I figured would have to be the case.  But the Ego and the SS9 can still get the smaller battery for the same price as now as far as I can tell.

Talking about charging stations:
I looked at the J1772 6kw charging stations as a business model and they fail completely.  Sadly in the U.S. (which is all I'm talking about) this is all our homes can give for now so it won't just die off like I'd like for it to do.  Let me assure you as I work with blue collar 40 hour work week people, they are not going to wait more than 15 minuets to "refill" their cars on trips.  It has to be as good as gas or better to get them onboard.  Even CCS isn't good enough for that so I hope there isn't too much build up of those stations before better charging comes out.
 
Tesla's new V3 charging and Porsche's 350 kW chargers are getting close but the batteries' C rate will need to improve to eliminate the tapering at 80-85%.  People will feel they are leaving 20% of the battery they paid for on the table, wasted.  Audi is tricking people with that bypass strategy of only ever giving them access to 80% of their battery capacity so no tapering. I just don't want to see wasted money on stations that will be obsolete in a few years.

[JaimeC]

I don't know... my 2019 Yamaha XMAX gets 70 mpg on the highway and only requires about 3.3 gallons of fuel, so that's over 200 miles on a three minute gas station stop.  Electrics are a LONG way from that.  Until then, 6kW charging at a shopping mall is fine... it may take an hour for the bike to go another sixty miles BUT I have something to do to kill the time at the mall.  If I take in a movie, I can even get a 100% charge.  Not a bad deal for a leisurely joy ride.  For us "40 hour a week" guys, I don't REALLY need more than Level 1 charging because I'm going to be sitting at my desk for eight hours anyway.

When the weather warms up again in the Spring I'm already connecting the dots for an "Around Long Island" ride on my Zero.  There are enough Level2 statoins around to make that possible.  Most of them are in shopping malls; the one on Shelter Island is at a police station so I need to see what is in the area to kill time there.

Right now, electric motorcycles are simply not practical as "only bikes" unless you are really really dedicated and willing to make compromises.  As I've pointed out before, though, for over 90% of the riding I actually do, the Zero is perfectly capable and it save a lot of wear and tear on my ICE bikes to boot.

[NEW2elec]

For our bikes they work, but not for big battery 60+kWh cars.  The hope is people move to electric cars.  The guys I talk to about it always bring up "trips".  They shrug off "it works for work" they focus on their free time fun time.  These are not desk people, but there are more non desk then desk people and if only a few rich guys drive electric it won't change anything and we won't get the true economy of scale.

 To be sure 110V < J1772 < CCS < V3 < ? the last bit should be about "good enough" and then the big switch can begin.

[MVetter]

Talking about charging stations:
I looked at the J1772 6kw charging stations as a business model and they fail completely.  Sadly in the U.S. (which is all I'm talking about) this is all our homes can give for now so it won't just die off like I'd like for it to do. 

What are you talking about? A 50 amp plug, which is what most homes have, is perfectly capable of delivering 12kW.

[NEW2elec]

I should have said "do" give not can give.  A Nima 14-50 outlet is of course extra and homes don't "have" them , people have them installed and they are not always available for older homes.  Now CA maybe, but not here, my highest breaker is 40 amps.  My parents 40 amp dryer outlet is on the second floor so no good to charge from in the garage.

It still puts you needing a 12kW AC charger for home use then a CCS for trips.  Energica is still going with a 3kW AC charger instead of a higher AC option for cost savings, weight savings, and they figure you will only use the AC charger at home with all night to charge anyway.

[MVetter]

Or you could use a portable CCS station that plugs into a 14-50 and then power any EV that uses CCS.

[NEW2elec]

   Nice product plug.             Cost?          Ready to go?

I still want all charging guts to be at the station and it just feeds into the battery directly.  Instead of 1000 EVs having chargers that can die and owners have to pay for, everybody shares the components at the station.  In the same way gas cars don't pump the gas from the under ground storage tanks the station handles that expense.  The station should have all that's needed and it just "fills" our batteries.

You guys are bridging the gaps and I applaud your work but the world still isn't quite ready for mass EV adoption.  It is getting better all the time though.

[DonTom]

  Nice product plug.             Cost?          Ready to go?

I still want all charging guts to be at the station and it just feeds into the battery directly.  Instead of 1000 EVs having chargers that can die and owners have to pay for, everybody shares the components at the station.  In the same way gas cars don't pump the gas from the under ground storage tanks the station handles that expense.  The station should have all that's needed and it just "fills" our batteries.

You guys are bridging the gaps and I applaud your work but the world still isn't quite ready for mass EV adoption.  It is getting better all the time though.

As it is now if my Energica built-in charger dies, I should still be able to use CCS fast charging. So why not have both? Besides, by far, most people charge at home.

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)

[DonTom]

Or you could use a portable CCS station that plugs into a 14-50 and then power any EV that uses CCS.

I don't understand what a "portable CCS station" is.

Since CCS can also use J1772, what is the purpose of the portable CCS station? You're still limited by the power limits of the 14-50 and you're not going to get the 26KW that the Energica can handle.

-Don-  Payson AZ (RV)

[NEW2elec]

So if you have a battery with a high enough voltage then all you need is the CCS plug inlet connected to your battery to use a CCS station? 
I'm asking not being snarky.

DonTom :  That's what Brandon and MVetter are working on now.  Energica will use them in their races at tracks that don't have CCS chargers.  Plus Harley guys won't have to go to the Dealer to charge faster than 1.3kw.

[DonTom]

DonTom :  That's what Brandon and MVetter are working on now.  Energica will use them in their races at tracks that don't have CCS chargers.  Plus Harley guys won't have to go to the Dealer to charge faster than 1.3kw.

Oh. It's to get over the mickey-mouse limit of the HD built-in charger. IOW, a way to charge at a  few KWs by using DC direct to the CCS input but at a much lower rate than the CCS was really designed for.

I wonder why HD didn't equip the LW with a decent L2 charger to begin with. Energicas charge at 3Kw on L2.

-Don-  Payson, AZ (RV)

[Richard230]

I am cooking with gas in California and all of my electrical outlets are 120V, 20 amp.