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[valnar]

This was asked before a few years ago but I don't think a consensus was found.

Does anyone know what the equivalent custom settings are for factory ECO and Sport mode?  Specifically in regards to an FX/FXS.

[TEV]

I was looking for the same information for my DSR.
I ended up experimenting and now my custom mode is: 40% torque,  Neutral regeneration 0%, and Brake regeneration 100%.
40% torque it's obviously higher than the original ECO.
At this point I am still curious what is the torque setting in ECO mode.
Using one of those app that can time 0 to 60MPH, one can do that on ECO mode and then reduce torque in Custom mode, until getting to the same time, and fiding the misterious setting. Maybe next summer I will do it. Regarding Neutral and Brake regeneration,  I don't even care what are the original settings, because I only want 0% for neutral and 100% for braking

[DonTom]

I Regarding Neutral and Brake regeneration,  I don't even care what are the original settings, because I only want 0% for neutral and 100% for braking

Try setting your deceleration regen at 20% and see if you can tell any difference at all. I can't. I figure a little regen is better than none. Even at no deceleration regen, the Zeros do not coast very well and at 20% I notice no difference but it's still enough to get one bar of regen.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[TEV]

I Regarding Neutral and Brake regeneration,  I don't even care what are the original settings, because I only want 0% for neutral and 100% for braking

Try setting your deceleration regen at 20% and see if you can tell any difference at all. I can't. I figure a little regen is better than none. Even at no deceleration regen, the Zeros do not coast very well and at 20% I notice no difference but it's still enough to get one bar of regen.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

It seems to me that it's just a way to waste energy, because every time that you are transforming mechanical energy to electric and back to mechanical there are losses.  It's like installing a wind generator on the bike thinking of getting some free electricity,  but that will take more extra power from your battery than you will gain. This is just my opinion based of my understanding of how motors and generators works.

[DonTom]

It seems to me that it's just a way to waste energy, because every time that you are transforming mechanical energy to electric and back to mechanical there are losses.  It's like installing a wind generator on the bike thinking of getting some free electricity,  but that will take more extra power from your battery than you will gain. This is just my opinion based of my understanding of how motors and generators works.

If that was always true, there would be no such thing as regen. A waste of energy is when you MUST slow down and do not use regen.

But the bottom line is for you to try it at 20% and then tell me if you notice any difference. Even at 0% regen you're wasting energy that could be used to charge the battery just a little. If the Zeros coasted better at zero regen, then I would keep it totally off also. But the only noticeable difference is a weak charge instead of none at all.

FWIW, my Energica coasts very well with no regen at all. A lot better than the Zeros. So I keep it off when on the hilly freeway between Reno and Auburn on my SS9.  But I find 20% is best on the Zeros. Try it and see what you think.

I have tried it off and left it that way for a while, until I discovered 20% makes no noticeable difference and probably increases range just a little by it charging the battery just a little. So I keep both my Zeros at 20% regen and regen off on the Energica until I get into traffic.

Perhaps the SS9 coasts well downhill with no regen because the bike is heavy. Zeros are light by comparison.  Anyway, Zeros slow down faster than I would expect at 0% regen and I cannot notice any difference at all at 20% when coasting. So at least try it.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[valnar]

I love the discussion but I'm afraid this thread will end like the 2016 one.     Surely somebody is in the know?

[DonTom]

I love the discussion but I'm afraid this thread will end like the 2016 one.     Surely somebody is in the know?

Sure, but the ones in the know all work for Zero.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[shayan]

Related question:

How different (or same) are the power/torque curves in custom vs sport mode, when i set 100% torque in custom mode?
Will 0-60 times be ideal in both modes with 100% torque?

[Crilly]

In custom settings, you set brake regen to max, throttle to 0, and max torque to max.  Then just ride in custom all the time.

If you want ego mode, do not twist the throttle to far or fast and let it coast as much as possible.

All the rest of the settings then become useless.

[TEV]

I wonder if anyone tried to ask Zero directly. 

Regarding our "argument" Don, and I am not saying that I am right and you're wrong,  it's just my personal, logical conclusion based on what I know ( and maybe I don't know all the relevant information) , I can't help asking you this: when you turn on the A/C in your car, can you feel any difference on how your car it's driving/ coasting? I personally can't,  but it's a known fact that the engine will use a little more gas because of that.
I am not trying convincing anybody to do it in my way, it's still a free country , everybody should do what they believe that will work better for them, and be happy.

[TEV]

In custom settings, you set brake regen to max, throttle to 0, and max torque to max.  Then just ride in custom all the time.

If you want ego mode, do not twist the throttle to far or fast and let it coast as much as possible.

All the rest of the settings then become useless.

I totally agree with you, but unfortunately with 100% torque, your throttle control will have to be unhuman precisely , so not easy to achieve the  ECO  acceleration  .
When I started riding my 2019 DSR, in the first days I keep forgetting to set my Custom mode, and because neutral regeneration setting in ECO mode was annoying me to much, one day I switched to Sport thinking that I will just take it easy when accelerating,  the pavement was wet after a rain (not raining anymore) and my wheel was spinning when leaving from a stop light, no matter how easy I was accelerating.  Again, this is not advice, just my experience/opinion  (I have to add this to my signature  )

[valnar]

Sure, but the ones in the know all work for Zero.

Yeah, I don't get why it's a secret to keep their customers in the dark.  If nothing else, it could be a safety concern to not inform your riders what "Sport" is actually doing.  This is a policy for no reason.

[DonTom]

when you turn on the A/C in your car, can you feel any difference on how your car it's driving/ coasting? I personally can't,  but it's a known fact that the engine will use a little more gas because of that.
I am not trying convincing anybody to do it in my way, it's still a free country , everybody should do what they believe that will work better for them, and be happy.

But this is the opposite since you're charging more, not draining more on what we notice no difference on. But I think in reality, it makes so little difference that it's probably not even worth this discussion. If there is a gain either way, it will probably be less than ten feet more range one way over the other per charge, and each ride could have different results . The real gain of regen  is when we must slow down a little. Every time we must slow down, we are wasting energy, so we should try to get as much back as possible.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[TEV]

[/quote]The real gain of regen  is when we must slow down a little. Every time we must slow down, we are wasting energy, so we should try to get as much back as possible.

-Don-  Reno, NV
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Totally agree with you, and the fact that when you start braking on a zero, first stage is just activating the regeneration and only if you press more you engage the brake system, it's very helpful in this regard.

[MrBlc]

when you turn on the A/C in your car, can you feel any difference on how your car it's driving/ coasting? I personally can't,  but it's a known fact that the engine will use a little more gas because of that.

That's a bit of outside the scope.. in a gas based vehicle the efficiency of the motor is in it's 40%.. So spending 5%-10% more energy doing something is hardly noticeable (or even if at all).
In a BEV the efficiency of the engine is in it's 90%.. Anything affecting it (like increased friction or just more wind going in your opposite direction) WILL increase energy use.. Noticeably.. As such, regen does matter. Although, on my quite heavy Model S, it was still just 2%.

It seems i must be the only one on this forum using 100% throttle regen.. I tried everyone's favorite 20%, but that just gave me the need to use the brakes a lot more.. And not just brake regen, actual brakes.. The brake regen also became much less enjoyable, kicking in with a noticeable jerk.. By starting with throttle regen, then moving over to braking regen as i needed, and ending up with just braking made the entire process of slowing down considerably more smooth.

I ride my DSR with 100% torque as well. Not really an issue, and yes I've tried starting from standstill in pouring cold rain.. Did not get wheelspin.
I did however get wheelspin when doing WOT in a cornering move on wet road.... Interesting experiment, not intended.. Didn't go down though.
I find it weird that people are experiencing so much more issues with control.. Only theory I can surmise is that having ridden BEV's for several years, and a very powerful one at that, I'm more in tune with their throttle response..?

It was more of a changing pants type of situation when i lost grip on my Model S in snow going 130 km/h towards a 90 degree bend with a trailer on my inside than what i have experienced with the DSR so far..