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[Crissa]

Why not max out a 20A circuit?!

...Because that would melt most household wiring and require an actual charging station to be installed?  Circuits are rated at a peak consumption, not a constant.  So you could only pull about 20% more tha the current S-line does before you have to do electrician tricks.

Tho I don't quite understand why the FX charges slower than an S.  Cell configuration of the modular packs, maybe?  Then why does the non-modular not charge at the rate of the S?

-Crissa

[DonTom]

I agree with these.  I ended up waiting until now to get my 2020 FXS and I was so hoping these would be in there.  Why not max out a 20A circuit?!

A 20 amp household breaker should not have more than 18 amps on it. It's "code" for most electrical wiring of houses, etc.

I have my Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit breaker and I can only use 48 amps max. The wiring is also for 60 amps.

No electrician will go over the 80% rule, AFAIK.

So for a 20 amp circuit, expect 18 amps max per house fuse or circuit breaker. And most equipment wants to say well under that, as you may have other stuff on another outlet coming from the same breaker.

IIRC, our Zero OBCs draw around 13 amps at 120 VAC (~1500 watts AC input). Half that at 240 VAC, around 6.5 amps, which is stupid, IMO.

My Energica current stays the same as the voltage is increased so it has 1.5 KW charging at 120 VAC and 3KW charging at 240 VAC. Why Harley and Zero does it differently, I have no idea, but most likely because it is cheaper and less heat when 240 VAC is used compared to the Energica chargers.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[noyesknifer]

Reverse would be nice in the future.  Even on the current models if the hardware is capable and a software update enables reverse, then it'd be great to get reverse.

[dukecola]

1. More range! L3 would be OK, but for many of us outside CA, we have few L3's where we ride. L2's are plentiful

2, More range!  With more range we can make a round trip without needing to charge. Who wants to overpay for L3 and the waits get longer and longer defeating the benefit of fast-charging.

3. Did I mention more range.  Stop wasting money on bigger unnecessary motors that goes 135mph, no one does that other than on a track. We simply want to travel farther and safer.
 

[alko]

Hero's original claim was the bigger motor on the srf got more range because it doesn't have to work as hard as a smaller motor. I think thats been proven wrong from what I've read on here regarding range.  Can anyone verify that?

[heroto]

 Electrics appropriately get dinged for range. Offer a stock fairing.

[heroto]

Offer a variation of the SR/F with lower and more forward pegs and higher bars - with a fairing .

[MrBlc]

*snip*
A 20 amp household breaker should not have more than 18 amps on it. It's "code" for most electrical wiring of houses, etc.

As an EE, no.. 80% of 20A is 16A..

I have my Tesla Wall Connector on a 60 amp circuit breaker and I can only use 48 amps max. The wiring is also for 60 amps.

This is correct when keeping with the 80% load..

No electrician will go over the 80% rule, AFAIK.

Not for constant load no. However, we willingly overload a circuit up to 135% if shorter than 1 hour.. The automatic fuse would even accept it.

So for a 20 amp circuit, expect 18 amps max per house fuse or circuit breaker. And most equipment wants to say well under that, as you may have other stuff on another outlet coming from the same breaker.
*snip*

-Don-  Reno, NV

For constant load (more than 1 hour at rated), and 16A, yes.. For burst loads (ie a teawaterboiler) lasting less than 1 hour, it shouldnt be an issue.
Proper installations are sized to handle this.

[DonTom]

As an EE, no.. 80% of 20A is 16A..

  Of course! I was only checking to see if people here were awake and paying attention. 

You passed the test!

-Don-  Reno, NV

[valnar]

I agree with these.  I ended up waiting until now to get my 2020 FXS and I was so hoping these would be in there.  Why not max out a 20A circuit?!

A 20 amp household breaker should not have more than 18 amps on it. It's "code" for most electrical wiring of houses, etc.

I'm not sure where the lecture came from.  I already knew that.  I never specified "max" as being a constant 20A.

[vinceherman]

Offer a variation of the SR/F with lower and more forward pegs and higher bars - with a fairing .

YYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
or
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[Doug S]

There's one final consideration nobody has mentioned yet. Very rarely is a circuit dedicated to a single outlet. In order to be a good citizen, you really shouldn't design an appliance that uses the entire 15A available, just to avoid nuisance circuit breaker trips. We've all turned on the toaster and the microwave at the same time, and blew a breaker, right? You always want to leave at least a bit of headroom for whatever else may be on the circuit at the same time -- at least a couple of amps for some room lights, if nothing else.

[Richard230]

There's one final consideration nobody has mentioned yet. Very rarely is a circuit dedicated to a single outlet. In order to be a good citizen, you really shouldn't design an appliance that uses the entire 15A available, just to avoid nuisance circuit breaker trips. We've all turned on the toaster and the microwave at the same time, and blew a breaker, right? You always want to leave at least a bit of headroom for whatever else may be on the circuit at the same time -- at least a couple of amps for some room lights, if nothing else.

The city that I used to work for had an electrical system in their engineering and building departments that never saw an electrical permit. There were extension cords going everywhere to hook up computers, printers and other stuff that was never envisioned when the building was built in 1947.  But the real trouble was when people started hooking up personal electric heaters under their desks, started bringing in their own microwave, toaster ovens to complement the ones in the lunch room.  When that happened it was circuit blowing time, which happened a couple of times a week.    It apparently was easier to reset the breakers than it was to upgrade the electrical system or to tell people that they couldn't turn on their personal heaters or microwave popcorn.     And then there was the electrical fire one day that toasted one section of the engineering department's file storage area. After that happened there were finally some changes made.   

[valnar]

I think most people buying an electric motorcycle are familiar with circuits at at least a basic level.  I've got multiple circuits in my kitchen and the microwave is on its own dedicated circuit.  I didn't even put it in that way.  The house was like that when I bought it.

[MrBlc]

in .no you are required to have a dedicated circuit for EV charging..
Only way to get out of that requirement is when loadsharing outlets.
The circuit still needs to be dedicated for EV charging, but you don't have to have one for each EV.