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[JaimeC]

https://www.motorcycle.com/mobos/best-electric-motorcycle-of-2019.html

No surprise, really.

[DonTom]

https://www.motorcycle.com/mobos/best-electric-motorcycle-of-2019.html

No surprise, really.

"making the SR/F almost 30% less than the Livewire."

Why compare to the Livewire?  IMO, every electric motorcycle gives more for our money than the LW.

Somebody needs to tell them to do a reasonable comparison. Compare the SR/F to the Energicas and then see how the SR/F holds up.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Because it's from Harley Davidson.  No other reason than that.

At least they didn't waste any time mentioning the vaporware Lightning Strike.

[DonTom]

Because it's from Harley Davidson.  No other reason than that.

But as somebody once said here the entire purpose of the LiveWire must be to  make all other electric bikes look like a big bargain. IOW, perhaps Zero, Energica and other electric motorcycle companies companies paid  HD to set the price and poor specs and such.   The real intent could be for HD to not sell any Livewires. 

At least they didn't waste any time mentioning the vaporware Lightning Strike.

Seems like vaporware to me also.  But did I hear something here about Energica is coming out with a 20KWH battery?  Or is that a vaporware battery?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

I asked my Energica dealer about that 20kWh battery rumor and he said that he had heard it too.  What he didn't say is that it wasn't true.   

[DonTom]

I asked my Energica dealer about that 20kWh battery rumor and he said that he had heard it too.  What he didn't say is that it wasn't true.   

At least for now, it's a vaporware battery.

Is your "Energica dealer" Cal-Moto in Mtn  View?  And if you have been in there lately, do they have a SS9 in there again yet?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

I asked my Energica dealer about that 20kWh battery rumor and he said that he had heard it too.  What he didn't say is that it wasn't true.   

At least for now, it's a vaporware battery.

Is your "Energica dealer" Cal-Moto in Mtn  View?  And if you have been in there lately, do they have a SS9 in there again yet?

-Don-  Reno, NV

I was there 10 days ago.  No new Energicas were in the showroom and that includes no new SS9. They were down to just the two that have been there for a while. Maybe the rumors of the new 2020 models have cut the legs out from under the market for the current versions?     That sort of thing has happened in the past, especially when marketing new technology. 

[DonTom]

I was there 10 days ago.  No new Energicas were in the showroom and that includes no new SS9. They were down to just the two that have been there for a while. Maybe the rumors of the new 2020 models have cut the legs out from under the market for the current versions?     That sort of thing has happened in the past, especially when marketing new technology. 

I assume you mean a 2021 model, as my SS9 is a 2020 model.

To me, if there are enough charge stations around, a larger battery only means wait twice as long, but half as often.   I would prefer the more charge stations to a larger battery. I like the shot breaks once an hour or so.

Between here and Auburn, on I-80, there are at least six locations to CCS charge from, evenly spread out, each with more than one charger. Add in the J1772 charge stations, there are a lot more. I just wish it were like that everywhere. Perhaps someday it will be, but perhaps not in our lifetimes. But it sure is improving fairly quickly.

BTW, it seems to me that the Zero SR/F is a hot selling bike, unlike any of the the Energicas. I wonder why, when the SR/F compared to any of the Energias. The SS9 charges at 25KW, yet can still use a J1772 at 3 KW. Uses a drive chain that does not snap, is a lot more comfy that the SR/F, has a reverse, etc.  I wonder if the main reason is the lack of Energica dealers to the point most have never even heard of it. That includes me, until i started reading about them in this forum.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

To each his own when it comes to belts vs. chains.  I've had five motorcycles with belts (three Buells and two Zeros) and NEVER snapped a belt in over 100,000 miles combined use.  That includes that skinny little belt the 2016 S came with, too.  I prefer the nice, clean, low-maintenance belt over a messy, high maintenance chain any day of the week (though I prefer the practically maintenance-free drive shaft on my K1200LT over all).

I suppose if I went off-road frequently I'd think differently though.

[DonTom]

To each his own when it comes to belts vs. chains.  I've had five motorcycles with belts (three Buells and two Zeros) and NEVER snapped a belt in over 100,000 miles combined use.  That includes that skinny little belt the 2016 S came with, too.  I prefer the nice, clean, low-maintenance belt over a messy, high maintenance chain any day of the week (though I prefer the practically maintenance-free drive shaft on my K1200LT over all).

I suppose if I went off-road frequently I'd think differently though.

And we have also heard of belts breaking the very first 100 miles or so on a new bike, while on smooth pavement.

from r/motorcycles

  for an example.

On the Zeros, converting to a chain is considered an upgrade.  I have bikes with shafts, belts and chains.  I don't consider chains to be "high maintenance".  Simply spray some stuff on the every thousand miles or so, not a big deal.

I have had drive shaft problems on my old BMW and they are usually more serious. And sometimes greasing them or changing their gear oil is more hassle than spraying a drive chain.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[togo]

To each his own when it comes to belts vs. chains.  I've had five motorcycles with belts (three Buells and two Zeros) and NEVER snapped a belt in over 100,000 miles combined use.  That includes that skinny little belt the 2016 S came with, too.  I prefer the nice, clean, low-maintenance belt over a messy, high maintenance chain any day of the week (though I prefer the practically maintenance-free drive shaft on my K1200LT over all).

I suppose if I went off-road frequently I'd think differently though.

Good to know.  Just installed the Luna cycles fat belt kit on my 14 Zero SR.  I love quiet belts.  Anytime I ride with an Energica or a Brammo I am reminded of that.

[DonTom]

Good to know.  Just installed the Luna cycles fat belt kit on my 14 Zero SR.  I love quiet belts.  Anytime I ride with an Energica or a Brammo I am reminded of that.

I like the sound of all of them, yet each has its own sound, some more quiet than others.

I am curious what the LiveWire will sound like. They should be at the HD dealers in a week or so.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[JaimeC]

Good to know.  Just installed the Luna cycles fat belt kit on my 14 Zero SR.  I love quiet belts.  Anytime I ride with an Energica or a Brammo I am reminded of that.

I like the sound of all of them, yet each has its own sound, some more quiet than others.

I am curious what the LiveWire will sound like. They should be at the HD dealers in a week or so.

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

Harley Davidson INTENTIONALLY put in a straight-cut gear "transmission" to route the power to the rear wheel for the express purpose of generating more "noise."  Go figure.

[DonTom]

Harley Davidson INTENTIONALLY put in a straight-cut gear "transmission" to route the power to the rear wheel for the express purpose of generating more "noise."  Go figure.

And when my Harley Road Glide was first designed, it had 100% balancing and Harley decided it was way too smooth. So they redid the balancing to 75% to induce some vibration so the riders "would know they are on a motorcycle".

There are three ways to do things:

1. The right way.
2. The wrong way.
3. The Harley way.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[gadgetgirl]

DonTom, I think you're on to something about availability of Energica dealerships. I have never seen an Energica outside pictures, and the dealer map is pretty empty for the interior of the US.

I do hope they eventually bring DCFC to my SR/F via a super charge tank or something. However, I still haven't even used a level 2 charger in Chicago. Most of them are locked inside expensive parking garages. Also, I'm curious about the comfort of the SS9. My sit bones fit on the SR/F really well, so I find riding it quite comfortable, and I'm wondering if the SS9 is even more comfortable!