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[HoodRichOG]

Post here:


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10219987769068102&id=1339250492

[HoodRichOG]

Appears link was wrong. Fixed now.



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[BigPoppa]

Wow...just...wow. I read the entire post and listened to the audio clip. I feel for the South African dealer. I hope this gets resolved but the whole piece left me a bit stunned.

[JaimeC]

Yeah, I'm glad I didn't jump at the opportunity to order a Strike.  Something is VERY fishy here.

[JaimeC]

This is bringing back memories of the Hanlon family and the way they ran Excelsior Henderson into bankruptcy.

[Richard230]

This is bringing back memories of the Hanlon family and the way they ran Excelsior Henderson into bankruptcy.

And don't forget Skully Helmets.   

That story on Facebook is sounding like a "pyramid" or "Ponzi" scheme" to me.

[NEW2elec]

This is shaky ground.  I don't know what the laws for phone recording are for CA but some states require a two party agreement for a phone call to be recorded.  Reposting it might not be a good idea if that's the case.

[HoodRichOG]

This is shaky ground.  I don't know what the laws for phone recording are for CA but some states require a two party agreement for a phone call to be recorded.  Reposting it might not be a good idea if that's the case.

Nice try, Hatfield.



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[NEW2elec]

LOL I'm not Richard Hatfield.
My screen name is "NEW" but I've been here for years and have helped about 8-9 people buy Zeros and own 2 myself.

Feel free to read my Leap of faith thread in this category.

He does seem like the suing type though so do what you want but you may want to check on that law.

[HoodRichOG]

I'm just joking about you being Hatfield.

The dealer is in South Africa, so he could probably care less about Californian laws.

Would love to hear the other side of the story, although everything seems pretty apparent.

[Richard230]

Needless to say in California you have to have both parties permission to record a call and I think you might also need a beeping tone every few seconds.  But then if I lived in South Africa, I would say come and get me. 

[ashnazg]

Is it illegal to record a call *at all*, or does it just make the recording inadmissible in court?

[Richard230]

Is it illegal to record a call *at all*, or does it just make the recording inadmissible in court?

My recollection is that it is illegal to record a call in California, unless both parties go on record that they understand they are being recorded. The call would be inadmissible in court for sure and it may be against the law if someone found out about it and alerted the authorities - who probably could care less unless the call was about them.   

In other words, I don't know the answer for sure. Most of the stories about unauthorized calls in the news seem to have more to do with calls involving famous personalities or politicians.    I really doubt news regarding anyone recording a call in SA is going to generate any interest other than here.   

[wavelet]

Is it illegal to record a call *at all*, or does it just make the recording inadmissible in court?

IANAL, but my understanding is it's an illegal offense in itself to record a call in CA without consent of all participants, if they had a reasonable expectation the call would be confidential.
http://www.dmlp.org/legal-guide/california-recording-law

That said, I doubt it matters. The S.A. dealer appears to have a lot of additional evidence.

I'm surprised he gave Hatfield as many additional chances as he did, and invested so many more resources and trip to the US, after the original failure to deliver and the bad-faith negotiation (assuming the story is correct).
S.A. isn't a large market, in the terms of the number of people who could afford and might be interested in an LS-218; There's already a Zero importer, but Energicas at half the price of a LS-218 would  seem to be a better fit.

[Richard230]

Plus, this continues the thought of most of us that Lightning may have never actually sold an LS-218 model in all of the years that it has been offered for sale.     Attached is a picture of their poster from the 2014 NDEW event.  Looks like the same motorcycle that they still have on display today.