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MVetter

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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #15 on: September 04, 2019, 08:31:59 PM »

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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #16 on: September 09, 2019, 11:19:26 PM »

Richard Hatfield just announced the first Strike delivery.

Anyone one this forum?

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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #17 on: September 10, 2019, 03:06:19 AM »

Where is the announcement?
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #18 on: September 10, 2019, 03:10:11 AM »

Did they actually deliver a bike without any press rides, video, or marketing?

WTF?
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #19 on: September 10, 2019, 03:50:21 AM »

To a guy who apparently is blocking all friend requests.
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #20 on: September 10, 2019, 05:31:53 AM »

So somewhere, somehow a Lightning Strike was built and now supposedly delivered to a customer. I guess that means Lightning is still in the boutique bike business and no desire to become a main stream motorcycle manufacturer. It seems if there was an actual production line somewhere that was building Strikes there would be a lot of them for inventory to be bought on the spot. The first delivery of a Strike could be a huge press event. Instead there is minimal information about it which makes me wonder if it really happened or was everything faked.
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« Reply #21 on: September 10, 2019, 05:36:32 AM »

Well we know they had 3 Strikes that were shown at the (non) event a few months back. One of those 3 was white, and the pictures they posted just recently were of the white one. If it is the same bike it was shown with a bolted-on J1772 inlet for charging pointed in a way that it will fill up with water when wet, and no CCS. If that bike doesn't show up for any more promotional events it's a safe bet it was the one delivered.
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #22 on: September 11, 2019, 03:13:18 AM »

I expect folks here have seen the recent posts by new user Jayski?

If not, worth reading. He identifies as an actual LS-218 owner (the first I've ever encountered on this forum or elsewhere), who bought the bike for racing purposes (e.g., Land Speed record).
However, his bike is a 1-off custom build (custom motor, 750V battery system) especially done by Lightning over a year, and doesn't have a full legal light setup; I therefore wouldn't call it a production bike.
Jayski sounds very happy with the bike, but from his experiences it certainly sounds that Lightning isn't focused on actually producing motorcycles for the public.
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #23 on: September 11, 2019, 11:09:36 AM »

No one has ever claimed Lightning isn't capable of making an utterly amazing custom race bike. Production? Maybe not so much. Custom 1-offs seem to be their thing.
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« Reply #24 on: September 11, 2019, 07:46:27 PM »

It really couldn't be more disappointing. I'm getting to the point where I'm just starting to toy with the idea of upgrading my venerable 2014 SR, and I'd figured the topography would have changed considerably by now.

But so far, Harley and Lightning are still vaporware (and Harley's still Harley), so no joy there. The SS9 looks close to being the bike I'm going to want for the next several years, but the nearest place for me to get service for an Energica is 100 miles away, and I'm not seeing a lot of improvement on the horizon. I know that's much better than most people are "blessed" with, but it's still a pretty long and expensive tow if something breaks down that I don't have the ability to address myself. Even if I have the skillz, can I get the parts?

Obviously, building a dealer/distribution network from scratch is incredibly difficult, let alone the rest of the infrastructure. It makes what Tesla's done even more impressive in retrospect.
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #25 on: September 11, 2019, 08:58:08 PM »

It really couldn't be more disappointing. I'm getting to the point where I'm just starting to toy with the idea of upgrading my venerable 2014 SR, and I'd figured the topography would have changed considerably by now.

But so far, Harley and Lightning are still vaporware (and Harley's still Harley), so no joy there. The SS9 looks close to being the bike I'm going to want for the next several years, but the nearest place for me to get service for an Energica is 100 miles away, and I'm not seeing a lot of improvement on the horizon. I know that's much better than most people are "blessed" with, but it's still a pretty long and expensive tow if something breaks down that I don't have the ability to address myself. Even if I have the skillz, can I get the parts?

Obviously, building a dealer/distribution network from scratch is incredibly difficult, let alone the rest of the infrastructure. It makes what Tesla's done even more impressive in retrospect.

I get where your coming from and i'm by no means a Harley fan boy, but idk if I would consider the livewire vaporware at this point. There are at least a few videos out there of people riding livewires at demo events on the street, where multiple livewires can be seen. There have been several articles of people actually riding them on a track, and if you take a look at their site there are several demo events scheduled around the country (USA), some of which have already passed. All 3 of my local dealers have also installed CCS stations, so I have no doubt they will be here in a month or so. None, not any of that can be said for the Strike.
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« Reply #26 on: September 11, 2019, 11:17:06 PM »

Also Doug I don't know if you've been paying attention to the leaks about Energicas recently but the word coming through the grapevine is that ~20kWh pack upgrades are imminent. This makes sense because the last pack upgrade was 2014. And they're still $10k cheaper than the LiveWire.
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« Reply #27 on: September 12, 2019, 01:55:29 AM »

Also Doug I don't know if you've been paying attention to the leaks about Energicas recently but the word coming through the grapevine is that ~20kWh pack upgrades are imminent. This makes sense because the last pack upgrade was 2014. And they're still $10k cheaper than the LiveWire.
Well assuming the 20kWh packs are going to happen (and I agree, the recent camo spy photos are suggestive), we don't know how Energica will price them; they might be far more expensive than the current models (and they may keep some of the latter as lower-priced, lower-range versions, like Zero is still selling the SR).

I do hope Energica will upgrade the packs soon -- they seem the most polished and detail-oriented of the current vendors (e.g., parking brake, reverse/forward crawl mode, CCS), with the tw omain issues being range and weight.
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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #28 on: September 17, 2019, 02:48:09 AM »

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Re: Nothing to see here.
« Reply #29 on: September 17, 2019, 05:46:55 AM »

I do hope Energica will upgrade the packs soon -- they seem the most polished and detail-oriented of the current vendors (e.g., parking brake, reverse/forward crawl mode, CCS), with the tw omain issues being range and weight.
What parking brake?

BTW, to me the size of the battery pack is rather meaningless as long as I am within range of CCS charging.  A battery twice the size  means wait twice as long for it to charge--but at half as many stops. Comes out near the same either way.

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