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[Sklith]

Do you have to pay to charge at 15 kW at the Harley dealership? If so, how much was it?

The Rocklin, CA Harley CCS charger is now on-line, although  they do NOT yet have the LiveWire.

 I used their CCS charger a couple of days ago. This one charged at 20KW:

Receipt    ROCKLINEV1 / DCFAST HOG    Rocklin, CA
   
Energy added    
4.40 kWh
      
4:17 PM-4:40 PM
22m 42s @ $0.00/hr    
$0.00
      
Total    $0.00

Perhaps they will not always be free. Perhaps they will put in a price for all except the LiveWire later. We just have to wait and see what happens.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Why only a 5 kW charging speed overall, was it sitting a while after completing the charge?

[MVetter]

Are we reading the same thing? I'm showing he got about 4.5kWh in about 23 minutes. This would indicate closer to 12kW.

[Sklith]

You're right, bad math, I needed to get the fraction of an hour 22 min 42 seconds is first! What kW rating are these DCFC stations at H-D locations? I'd hope they're at least putting out 25 kW.

[DonTom]

You're right, bad math, I needed to get the fraction of an hour 22 min 42 seconds is first! What kW rating are these DCFC stations at H-D locations? I'd hope they're at least putting out 25 kW.

Nope. They are probably all either 15KW or 20 KW max  (max KW I got near the midrange of the battery charge <~50%>).

According to my bike at Reno HD, it charged at 15 KW.  However, my same bike charged at 20KW in Rocklin, CA HD.

15 KW makes more sense as the Livewire can only accept 12 KW. So I was very surprised to see the 20 KW in Rocklin.

Perhaps depends on how the dealers  set them up.

But I would not expect the CCS stations at Harley shops to do more than 15 KW, as that is still 3KW more than the LW can handle.

But we cannot complain. Both of these Charegpoint HD CCS chargers are free for us to use. At least for now.

On the way here from Auburn, my SS9 was charging mostly at 24KW. Sometimes as high as 26KW. Using EV-GO on I-80.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

Are we reading the same thing? I'm showing he got about 4.5kWh in about 23 minutes. This would indicate closer to 12kW.

As an average, yes. It charged at around 20KW in the beginning and down to about 1 or 2 KW near the end. I left it on for the full 100% charge so it slowed down quite a but near the end of the charge.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

15 KW makes more sense as the Livewire can only accept 12 KW. So I was very surprised to see the 20 KW in Rocklin.

I haven't seen any actual use numbers from LiveWires charging, but I expect them to charge somewhere around 13-15kW. I know of two people who have taken delivery so I'll ask.

[DonTom]

I haven't seen any actual use numbers from LiveWires charging, but I expect them to charge somewhere around 13-15kW. I know of two people who have taken delivery so I'll ask.

I now cannot recall where I saw the 12 KW CCS charging spec for the Livewire. But now that I check, I find this:

Battery Maximum capacity: 24 kWh
DC fast charging time: 1.0 hours

Sure sounds like it can handle almost double that  12 KW charging. But I remember it saying it took TWO hours for a full charge to 100% elsewhere.  So now I am not sure about anything. And the LW really has a 24 KWH battery?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

No. The LiveWire has like a 13.7kWh battery.

[DonTom]

No. The LiveWire has like a 13.7kWh battery.

I wonder why I find different specs everywhere I look. I recall at first the LW was supposed to have only a 7KWH battery. Keeps on getting larger, but . . .

If the LW really had a 24 KWH battery and could charge in an hour, it would really be worth that 30K$ they are asking.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

It most definitely doesn't. I think they advertised like 15.7kWh max and 13.4kWh nominal. In either case it's 60Ah in the low 200V range. Just high enough to use CCS.

[DonTom]

It most definitely doesn't. I think they advertised like 15.7kWh max and 13.4kWh nominal. In either case it's 60Ah in the low 200V range. Just high enough to use CCS.

This one here, I don't buy at all:

Lithium Ion, 12.8V , 24 Wh, 120 A

But now I find a couple of websites that say it has a 24 KWH battery. No, I mean 24 WH!

And  12.8 VDC? 

I guess we cannot believe much of anything with the LW from the websites.

Who writes these things? Doesn't anybody double check this stuff?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

That's the 12v battery. It runs the lights and stuff. Like a 12v battery on a gas bike or gas car. Instead of the DC-DC converter like Zero uses they actually put a second battery on it. If you scroll down on that page it will show you the H-D specific term "RESS" because they're too cool to call it a battery specs: 15.5kWh max, 13.6kWh nominal, which is almost exactly what I guess-remembered. Go me!~

[Crissa]

The max the chargers go would be limited by the electrical utility as well as the charger setup.  It may be some are capped out by someone cheaping out on the needed panel amperage.

My neighbor works for PG&E, and he says they're notorious for being difficult to get power drops for electric car charging, even if the wires are available.  We've talked about how to set up charging since our parking area is by the utility but hundreds of feet away from our house panels.  He has Volt.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

That's the 12v battery. It runs the lights and stuff. Like a 12v battery on a gas bike or gas car. Instead of the DC-DC converter like Zero uses they actually put a second battery on it. If you scroll down on that page it will show you the H-D specific term "RESS" because they're too cool to call it a battery specs: 15.5kWh max, 13.6kWh nominal, which is almost exactly what I guess-remembered. Go me!~

Then what does the "DC to DC conversion 450W at 14.2V" mean? It's on the same page.  Sounds like it means a DC to DC converter is used. But perhaps that means how they charge the  12 volt battery. Perhaps it needs 12 volts when not running so it uses both.

Still strange that they do not mention the main (motor) battery voltage  in the specs.

I know many EVs have a 12 volt battery instead of a DC to DC converter.  Such as my Tesla M3. Others (such as my Energica) use a 12.7 VDC tap off the main HV  battery.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

They do mention it and I told you exactly where to find it