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[BigPoppa]

My guess is Energica is being ultra-conservative with fluid replacements but I could be wrong.

[DonTom]

My Tesla, which is higher performance than the Energica, has motors encased in an oil bath and the oil doesn't need to be changed until 100K miles.

How did Italians manage to take such a great concept and somehow find a way to break it? Remind me of Alfa or Fiat.

My guess is because motorcycles usually require more maintenance than cars because they are more exposed to the elements. Gear oil in cars (differential, etc) is usually never changed in the life of the vehicle. Or perhaps once at the most. But in some bikes, they want it changed every 3K miles. Same type of gear oil used much the same way, so I also wondered why these differences. The only thing I can come up with is that cycles are more exposed. But also, probably don't really  require as much as they say it does in the owner's manuals of motorcycles. I too believe they are being overly cautious with motorcycles.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[alko]

My Tesla, which is higher performance than the Energica, has motors encased in an oil bath and the oil doesn't need to be changed until 100K miles.

How did Italians manage to take such a great concept and somehow find a way to break it? Remind me of Alfa or Fiat.

My guess is because motorcycles usually require more maintenance than cars because they are more exposed to the elements. Gear oil in cars (differential, etc) is usually never changed in the life of the vehicle. Or perhaps once at the most. But in some bikes, they want it changed every 3K miles. Same type of gear oil used much the same way, so I also wondered why these differences. The only thing I can come up with is that cycles are more exposed. But also, probably don't really  require as much as they say it does in the owner's manuals of motorcycles. I too believe they are being overly cautious with motorcycles.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Motorcycle engine and transmission are not separated. So it gets contanimated just like all engine oils.

[DonTom]

Motorcycle engine and transmission are not separated. So it gets contanimated just like all engine oils.

I didn't realize there was a transmission in this bike.

OTOH, I think I did hear of an electric bike that had a two speed transmission. Could that be the SS9? How and when does it shift? I never noticed a shift during my short test ride on BigPoppa's SS9 last Saturday.

And the electric motor has cooling oil circulate in the inside of it?  Seems a bit unusual, but whatever works!

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[alko]

Motorcycle engine and transmission are not separated. So it gets contanimated just like all engine oils.

I didn't realize there was a transmission in this bike.

OTOH, I think I did hear of an electric bike that had a two speed transmission. Could that be the SS9? How and when does it shift? I never noticed a shift during my short test ride on BigPoppa's SS9 last Saturday.

And the electric motor has cooling oil circulate in the inside of it?  Seems a bit unusual, but whatever works!

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Maybe I misunderstood you.

[DonTom]

Maybe I misunderstood you.

I know almost nothing about the SS9, I won't even have mine here for a few days.

But I do know it has transmission fluid in it to cool the motor (it's not engine oil, but tranny fluid). I read that in the owner's manual (IIRC).

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

Sorry, I think I was getting confused between other threads I am active in here. Then I read back some of the messages here, and I could not make any sense out of some of my own messages.

But I want to say that tranny oil is sometimes separated in motorcycles as well.  At least in older motorcycles.  My 1971 BMW tranny oil never sees the engine. It uses gear oil in the tranny, shaft and differential all separated from each other as well as the engine.

So I never use motorcycle oil in its motorcycle engine, I  just use car engine oil. The clutch will never see any oil at all as it is a dry clutch.

I guess they don't make motorcycles like they used to.  But the BMW is a rather high maintenance machine anyway and calls for  the gear oil to be  changed every 3K miles, unlike any cars made back then. So let's make that comparison.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[HoodRichOG]

My BMW needs a major service every 18K miles. Oil changes are 9K miles. It's like that on most of the modern ones.

I think manufacturers have clued in that maintenance is probably the least enjoyable thing about owning a motorcycle.

[DonTom]

I thought Energica used like a two-speed transmission that needed lubrication? If I'm mistaken about that, why not just use regular ol' engine coolant? Water has a much higher heat capacity than oil so it's a better coolant.

The boiling temp of engine oil and tranny fluid is  around 600F (315C).  Well above water. Can't use water without a large radiator, etc. to keep it around 230 F (110C) , <under the high pressure>  or below throughout the entire system.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[DonTom]

My BMW needs a major service every 18K miles. Oil changes are 9K miles. It's like that on most of the modern ones.

I think manufacturers have clued in that maintenance is probably the least enjoyable thing about owning a motorcycle.

Yes, both cars and motorcycles require a lot less maintenance than 50 years ago. But at any point during that time, the motorcycles usually require more maintenance than do the cars.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Ireek]

I pretty much agree, I love riding an e bike but til one of the big Japanese manufacturers build one with decent specs, that's readily available, I'm sitting this one out, my one and only e bike purchase (Alta) didn't end up so well.   

[HoodRichOG]

What the hell is this?



Can you buy this at Ikea? Does it come with assembly instructions?

Street legal version is $14K and tops out at 55mph with a range of under 70 miles.

Who are the people that buy this crap, I want to see their logic.

[Richard230]

Apparently you can have your Cake and ride it too.   

[HoodRichOG]

I guess EV bikes out of Europe are competing for the "Who can make the ugliest POS" prize.

Here is an excellent example from Austria... Johammer J1.

The name is as dumb as the bike.

[DonTom]

I just love my SS9 on the ride here from Reno. I charged for ten minutes in Truckee and went as fast as I wanted to Nyack Road for a 15 minute charge. I got here with 45 miles range and more than a half the charge left. It's 99 miles door to door.

So two ten minutes charges could mean I can get here at any speed I want.

I didn't stay long in Truckee because there is no shade. Plenty of shade at Nyack road.

It's my favorite bike out of ten for this ride to and from Reno.

IMO, ICE bikes suck for this ride! Can't even use the cruise conttol in the hills, like I can on the electrics.  I enjoy the two short breaks, but I really only need one  charge to full in the middle. I don't need more range than this battery has. There are a lot more CCS chargers than I previously thought. And more are soon coming. Includes the Harley shops, which I was the first one to use in Reno.

-Don-  Auburn, CA