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Author Topic: What I do and do not like about the SS9  (Read 4240 times)

DonTom

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What I do and do not like about the SS9
« on: August 11, 2019, 09:24:54 AM »

I rode Big Pappa's SS9 today (Thanks!)  for a few miles.

If any of this is not accurate (for any reason) , please let me know (also, some of this is about the added stuff):

First,  what I do like about the SS9:

 1.  The Energica SS9 is VERY comfy. Less forward lean than either of my two Zeros (very unlike the Zero SR/F).

  2. Bike is high enough and the footpegs are low enough (very unlike the Zero SR/F).

  3. Much better seat than my Zeros.

  4. Faster bike even than my Zero SR.

  5. Chain driven (large thick chain). I won't have to worry about it snapping at the worse possible time.

  6. Has a neat sound that I like. Different from the Zeros. Still very little noise.

  7. Better charging system. It can charge from 120 VAC (1.5 kw <6 hours> ) , 240 VAC (3.3 KW <3 hours>) or at a couple of hundred DC volts (CCS) at 20 KW. To full charge in about 20 minutes on CCS (if battery is not totally ran down).

 8. It has a reverse. Also a super slow forward at the same speed (~1.75 MPH).

9. The regen is selectable from any mode.

10. It has ABS, and traction control.

11.  All LED lights.

 12. Has a horn so loud it does NOT need to be changed!

13. Comes stock with heated grips.

14.  Has cruise control.

15. Look really neat. Does not look like my Zeros at all. Looks more like a real motorcycle--even better, IMO.

Now, a few things  things that I don't like:

 1. No TPMS, and an external sensor will hit the front brake caliper.

 2. Rear brake pedal so low it's difficult to find and use. However, I think there is an easy fix for that because the brake level is perfectly round, so we should be able to slip something over it to make it seem higher.

3.  I don't think a Travel Trunk can be added to this bike and the side cases are small.

4. Very small  windscreen (but I kinda like the very small one on days like today and warmer).

5. No 12 volt outlet. Only two USB. However, there is 12 volts inside the bike somewhere. I will have to find it and for enough current for a tire pump and other stuff.

6. No custom mode. But it has enough modes as is (five, IIRC) along with the fact that regen is independent of mode.

7. CCS charging is never free. Cost a few bucks always. But can  still use the many free J-1772's  in Reno and many other places.

8. Less range than my SR. Perhaps around 65 miles at 65 MPH, or 130 miles at 40  MPH.  11.7 KWH usable battery on heavy bike.  Not much of an issue if riding from Reno to San Diego as more than enough CCS  charging stations on that route.  But going north or east of Reno could be a problem. 20 minute breaks  about every hour or less are fine with me, as long as I can charge somewhere.


0. Other (neither good nor bad) : While the bike is a lot heaver than my SR, I do not notice it at all, not even at below 5 MPH.


On Tuesday,  I will sit on the more sporty Energicas first to see if I can tolerate them. I really like the red one with the frame mounted fairing, but I hear it is way too sporty of a riding position, but I will check it out for myself. The  SS9 I rode today is the least powerful (still more power than my Zeros) and the least sporty of the three models.


The bottom line is:


I will buy the SS9 (most likely)  on Tuesday in Mt. View.

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #1 on: August 11, 2019, 09:50:31 AM »

I'm interested if the dealer offers you a fixed trade-in price towards the 20 kWh Energica.
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #2 on: August 11, 2019, 10:00:18 AM »

I'm interested if the dealer offers you a fixed trade-in price towards the 20 kWh Energica.
I never trade bikes in. I buy them and keep them forever, or until they are not worth fixing. Note that I still have (and ride as much as my other ICE bikes )my 1971 BMW R75/5 which I purchased new in May of 1971.

But what is this about a 20KWH Energica? Is that a vaporware battery from Energica or does it really exist (yet)?

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2019, 02:11:37 PM »

I knew you'd find the SS9 super comfy. Sounds like a lot more positives than negatives. Sorry we weren't able to make it up there today.
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #4 on: August 11, 2019, 07:09:03 PM »

The SS-9's handlebar will support one of the many bar-mounted windshields on the market to cut down on the wind blast and maybe increase range slightly.  My favorite bar-mounted windshield is the National Cycle Deflector Screen DX.  It doesn't cost much more than $100 and is quickly removable via a couple of large plastic knobs.

Regarding a 12V power source: One option is to buy one of those lithium battery pocket jump start devices.  Just get one that has a 12V outlet that can output at least 10 amps and you can use that for powering a small air pump along with other devices, such as your phone.  I had one of those jump starters and before giving it to one of my granddaughters when she went to college, I found that it had enough juice to power my heated jacket and heated gloves for about 2 hours.
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2019, 09:02:46 PM »

Just a couple of minor corrections.

1) Heated grips are an option, they don't come standard on the Energicas.
2) While the headlight and tailight are LEDs, the turn signals are conventional bulbs although the stalks look like they're easy to replace with LED units if you want.

It was great meeting you in person Don and I'm sure you'll love the EsseEsse9!

@dittoalex where did you hear of an upcoming 20kw battery? I'm not worried about trading mine in since it has sufficient range for my needs but it would be interesting to know if it would be possible to swap out the current 13kw battery and VCU for a larger battery (as well as the cost).
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #6 on: August 11, 2019, 09:22:39 PM »

Regarding a 12V power source: One option is to buy one of those lithium battery pocket jump start devices.  Just get one that has a 12V outlet that can output at least 10 amps and you can use that for powering a small air pump along with other devices, such as your phone.  I had one of those jump starters and before giving it to one of my granddaughters when she went to college, I found that it had enough juice to power my heated jacket and heated gloves for about 2 hours.
I have several of those. Somehow, I never thought about using one with a tire pump before, because I have 12 volt outlets on all my other bikes. Thanks for the idea!

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #7 on: August 11, 2019, 09:30:21 PM »

The SS-9's handlebar will support one of the many bar-mounted windshields on the market to cut down on the wind blast and maybe increase range slightly.  My favorite bar-mounted windshield is the National Cycle Deflector Screen DX.  It doesn't cost much more than $100 and is quickly removable via a couple of large plastic knobs.
What I would really want is one that I can change easily for different weather. The very small one was perfect for warm weather.

Oh, one more small negative, I don't think the SS9 had self- cancelling turn signals. I often forget to cancel them  on my Zeros as well.

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #8 on: August 11, 2019, 11:01:39 PM »

I'm interested if the dealer offers you a fixed trade-in price towards the 20 kWh Energica.
I never trade bikes in. I buy them and keep them forever, or until they are not worth fixing. Note that I still have (and ride as much as my other ICE bikes )my 1971 BMW R75/5 which I purchased new in May of 1971.

But what is this about a 20KWH Energica? Is that a vaporware battery from Energica or does it really exist (yet)?

-Don-  Auburn, CA



"The MotoE bike can already exceed 167mph, weighs less than 260kg and its battery has almost double the capacity of the current production bike with just over 20kWh," he said, "And every year the lap times have to reduce to show MotoGP fans we are advancing.

"This technology will come back to the Ego road bike and in 2020 we will unveil a completely new platform of electric sportsbike based on the MotoE bike’s technology. We are aiming for a range of 125-miles irrespective of use with similar torque levels to the current bike.

I know there is a new "platform" coming for the Energica line and the only thing I could squeeze out of anyone is that it is maybe a year away but soon.  The big change is going to be in battery weight and capacity.  Sounds like we are going to get the 20 Kwh race bike battery which is supposed to be lighter than the current battery.  looks like the motor and gearbox remain the same.  They also said that all motors across the line are the same limited to 150 Kw (200 hp).  Software and hardware limits the power output on various models.  They also said that even though the new battery could be installed in an existing bike, the change would be cost prohibitive and if I bought an existing bike this close to the new bike release that they would guarantee me a fixed trade in price on the used bike when the new one is released.

I thought MotoE was vaporware, especially after the fire.  But now I don't have a reason to not trust Energica.
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #9 on: August 13, 2019, 10:16:23 PM »

I will be headed for Mt. View in around 30 minutes. The SS9 is still there, I just got an email from Jaxon.

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #10 on: August 13, 2019, 10:32:47 PM »

Good luck with the purchase! Post pics once you get it!
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2019, 03:46:27 AM »

+1   :)
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« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2019, 06:32:39 AM »

Please excuse me while  I edit my list of motorcycles below. .  .  .

I cannot buy any more bikes because I now have zero characters left to use in the
"signature" line.    I even had to remove my Tesla from the last line, but it's not a motorcycle anyway.

-Don-  Mountain View, CA
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« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2019, 06:57:04 AM »

I discovered today that they can deliver to any motorcycle shop  that is willing.  I have done some business with the Indian shop in Auburn  and I can even walk that distance (several miles but I am into hiking). So I will ask them in the morning. I purchased a $500.00 motorcycle jacket there, so that makes me their customer.

The jacket says "Indian" on the back and I don't even own an Indian, but it's a nice jacket, especially for very cold weather.

They took some photos in the shop with me next to the bike. They say they wanted it for their facebook page. Perhaps they will send it to me too. I did not bother to take any photos myself.

They say they received this bike with only one key but are trying to get the other. No keys in box. I have the 120 VAC charging stuff (which I doubt I will ever use) as well as the "Welcome Kit" with the owner's manual, etc. but no keys inside.

The bike  is mine, but when I get it delivered is an unknown, but could be in just a few days if all goes smoothly.


-Don-  Mountain View, CA
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Re: What I do and do not like about the SS9
« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2019, 08:14:05 AM »

Awesome, congrats!
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