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[DonTom]

Mine is a 2020 model and I’ve had it almost a month now.

Which electric bike did you have before your new Energica?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I haven’t been able to find either the owner’s manual as a PDF.

Have you seen this?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[wavelet]

I haven’t been able to find either the owner’s manual as a PDF.

Have you seen this?

-Don-  Reno, NV

That's only a 14-page basic guide for their app, nothing like a detailed Owner's Manual.
I've also searched quite a bit for the latter, and haven't found any bike docs by Energica  online at all.

[DonTom]

That's only a 14-page basic guide for their app, nothing like a detailed Owner's Manual. I've also searched quite a bit for the latter, and haven't found any bike docs by Energica  online at all.

At least there is something which gives a little info.  I wonder if they are just starting to put some stuff on-line.

BTW, how long has Energica been in business? What is their oldest model year?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

That's only a 14-page basic guide for their app, nothing like a detailed Owner's Manual. I've also searched quite a bit for the latter, and haven't found any bike docs by Energica  online at all.

At least there is something which gives a little info.  I wonder if they are just starting to put some stuff on-line.

BTW, how long has Energica been in business? What is their oldest model year?

-Don-  Reno, NV

The first time I can recall hearing about Energica being imported in the U.S. was in 2016. At that time I believe their MSRP was going to be $35-$40K, which I thought was way too much to generate much market activity. Apparently I was right.

But I imagine that some internet research should answer your question.

[BigPoppa]

Which electric bike did you have before your new Energica?

-Don-  Reno, NV

This is my first electric motorcycle. I’ve been following their development since I participated in a focus group for Brammo before they released their Empulse. It was only when Zero released their 14.4kwh battery that I started seriously looking at getting one. When the SR/F and Strike were announced early this year I finally decided this year was the year I would pick one up.

[NEW2elec]

I was wrong I can't take it   

LOL

I'll work on it.

You really get a good understanding of how gearing helps when you ride/race bicycles and your the engine.  Things have a happy zone power band  for the output and as conditions change ie hills, wind, ect if you want to maintain a certain speed you need to change your gear ratio to stay in that happy zone.

DonTom your Harley has 6 gears to try to stay in the engines power band longer.  My race bike had 9 rear gears and then Armstrong wanted 11 and I think they're even up from there at this point.  It keeps your pedal cadence at a rate that works for you heart rate.

The two addtional gear ratio offerings from Zero show you the trade off of higher torque but you lose top speed or higher top speed but you lose low end torque.  So if you wanted wheelie torque and a 140PH top speed from the same motor two ranges of gearing would help.

Like Wavelet said the LS218 had very high speed gearing and I bet it started off very slow from the line as a result.

[DonTom]

This is my first electric motorcycle. I’ve been following their development since I participated in a focus group for Brammo before they released their Empulse. It was only when Zero released their 14.4kwh battery that I started seriously looking at getting one. When the SR/F and Strike were announced early this year I finally decided this year was the year I would pick one up.

What made you decide on the EVA EsseEsse9 over the Zero SR/F?

Since I am done with my Sunday ICE ride already, I am thinking about leaving for Auburn in about 30 minutes. On my SR.

I am topping up the charge right now.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[JaimeC]

Like Wavelet said the LS218 had very high speed gearing and I bet it started off very slow from the line as a result.

You would be sadly mistaken:
https://electrek.co/2019/02/04/watch-ls-218-electric-motorcycle/

[BigPoppa]

What made you decide on the EVA EsseEsse9 over the Zero SR/F?

Since I am done with my Sunday ICE ride already, I am thinking about leaving for Auburn in about 30 minutes. On my SR.

I am topping up the charge right now.

-Don-  Reno, NV

The riding position was the number one reason followed by the pure Italian sexiness of the bike although that was offset by the SR/F's lower routine maintenance requirements and better range. So...really just the riding position.

[NEW2elec]

Like Wavelet said the LS218 had very high speed gearing and I bet it started off very slow from the line as a result.

You would be sadly mistaken:
https://electrek.co/2019/02/04/watch-ls-218-electric-motorcycle/

Nope not mistaken.  Two different bike setups.  Watch the speed record video and listen to Hatfield talk to Jay Leno on his visit to the garage.
The bike as it sits and was test rode had the "standard" gearing but the speed record bike had gearing for high speed and an aero pod.  High speed gearing means crap low end torque.
Still an impressive feat but that's the * of it all.

[DonTom]

The riding position was the number one reason followed by the pure Italian sexiness of the bike although that was offset by the SR/F's lower routine maintenance requirements and better range. So...really just the riding position.

The more maintenance means nothing to me as long as I can do it myself. The riding position is important. That is what I didn't like abut the SR/F along with the foot pegs being up way too high for me.

BTW, this morning in Reno, I rode my buddy's shinny  new 2019 BMW RT1250 for a few miles. What a nice bike! Fit me perfect! But I have more than enough ICE bikes, besides the fact I am done buying anything ICE for life.

He rode my BMW, the 1971. He was very surprised how well my old bike ran. He really likes its ride also. Runs better than new because of some performance mods  I made over the years.

BTW, ever ride the plain SR?  You will this Saturday! MUCH more comfy than the SR/F, at least to me. But the seat is rather hard.

Today from Reno, I hit some slow traffic which means I get here a lot faster! At least I would have. I was not going to recharge all the way here because I had exactly 50% of my charge left when I got to the Gold Run Rest Stop (near Exit 143 on I-80). I needed a break because of the hard seat!  But the west bond Gold Run Rest Stop is closed today. So I did the next best thing. I rode to the Colfax train station where they have a bench in the shade, as I recharge back up for free. By the time I was done checking my email and looked at my messages in this forum (including the one that I am replying to right now), I was charged up to 90% and my range said (based on the way I have been riding) is 212 miles. It probably would have said above 250 miles if I charged to full. This is the most range I have ever seen indicated on this bike. But the warm weather and slow traffic made a big improvement in range. And from the summit, it's mostly down hill.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[Bill822]

Interesting to see this conversation has carried on. I have been out of town for a bit at a conference. Spent my spare time working on back-of-the-napkin design for a 2-speed transmission. No, there is no "clutch."

I think there is a market for this type of product and I am confident it is feasible. There are some patent issues that have to be worked around for some of the internal components. This will never be an add-on product for an existing bike though.

Involved project and I have a backlog of design work so it will be a while before there is any progress, but thank you for your help by indicating your wishes and concerns regarding transmissions on electric bikes!

[Richard230]

Anyone recall the two-speed automatic transmission Honda 750 and 450 motorcycles of the late 1970's?  I think Moto Guzzi also had a model with a two-speed automatic.  None of those models made the companies rich and they didn't stay on the market very long.    But a two-speed, clutch-less, transmission might be just the thing for an EV, if it can be made compact enough and perhaps integrated into one end of the drive motor. Of course it didn't work out very well for Tesla, but might survive on a motorcycle motor with less torque than Tesla had.

[Crilly]

All right, Reinvent Powerglide.