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[NetPro]

Based on that information alone, I'd be worried that they left because they saw something at Zero that they didn't like??  Problems afoot?  Were there any other context clues that led you to believe they went to a car dealership?

I doubt actual mechanics would quit their jobs at a certain dealership because they saw bad management in one of the manufacturers they support.
Not sure about that specific dealer but most everywhere you have a dealer representing multiple brands.

The one near me sells and services Ducati, BMW, Triumph and Zero.

These two rascals probably found a job with more pay elsewhere or maybe the benefits at the Zero dealer were not too good.

[Richard230]

My Zero dealer told me last weekend that they sent two of their salespeople to the Zero factory for extensive training on the features of the SR/F.  Shortly after they returned from that training they left the shop for another job.  I wasn't told where they went.  My guess is that they moved to an auto dealer, likely one that sells EVs.   

Based on that information alone, I'd be worried that they left because they saw something at Zero that they didn't like??  Problems afoot?  Were there any other context clues that led you to believe they went to a car dealership?

Rather than retype the reasons I'll just put this here: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/diginow-supercharger-v2-5-mass-production/x/19740763?create_edit=true#/updates/all

It's not a matter of where to mount them that made us decide to stop.

Have you talked to Zero management?  Are they aware of the isolation issues?  I'm wondering if they are actively working on the problem for future bikes.

The only reason that I believe that these salespeople (not technicians) might have taken off to a car dealership is that it is very expensive to live in the Bay Area and motorcycle shops don't pay their employees nearly as much as do car businesses and I have no doubt that the bonus for selling an automobile is much greater than when you sell a motorcycle.  If someone had a good knowledge of EV technology and could explain it in layman's terms to a customer looking at an EV or hybrid automobile, then that person might have a skill that would make them valuable to any car dealership.

I have absolutely no reason to believe that these salespeople might have learned something at the Zero seminar that would encourage them to distance themselves from the product. I believe that they just took advantage of their new knowledge to get ahead in their careers.

[thomas]

I don't even own a FXS yet but I was wondering ...
Might it be possible to replace the FX onboard charger with the 3kw SR/F charger?

The SR/F 3kw onboard chargers look pretty small there above the battery pack.

Is it possible to order the sr/f charger as a spare part?

[Crissa]

No.  The SR/F charger is designed for a much larger battery.

However, it would be possible to add a third-party charger(s).

-Crissa

[thomas]

I dont think the charger cares about the size of the battery.

The important is that the voltage level of the battery is the same. And I think that's the same for all Zeros.

For example the fxs onboard charger charges a fxs with with one battery module of 3.6kwh and one with both modules of 7.2kwh.

[TheRan]

In theory it could work although I doubt the CAN communication will be plug and play. I can't see the chargers listed on AF1, to be honest you'd probably be better off getting something pre-programmed from somewhere like Elcon. I think they have 1.8, 3, and 6kW models.

[Crissa]

The charger doesn't 'care' per se, but the battery does!  Batteries can only be charged at such a rate, anything over that and they may take damage.  Which is why chargers need to be programmed for the battery pack and shouldn't be too large for the battery pack.

-Crissa

[thomas]

According to the zero webpage the fxs internal charger has 800W and you are allowed to add up to 4 external chargers with 1200w each.

Meaning you can have 4 x 1200w +800w = 5600w of charging power.

The SR/F charger has 3000w. So for my understanding it's not too large for the battery pack of the fxs

[DonTom]

The SR/F charger has 3000w.

The SR/F Premium is 6KW.

Does anybody here  know if the Premium uses a single 6KW charger or does it have two 3 KW chargers?


-Don-  Reno, NV

[TheRan]

It's two 3kW chargers. That's one way you can tell the models apart, the base model has a single charger with space behind it for another (above the battery) and the premium has two of them.

[DonTom]

It's two 3kW chargers. That's one way you can tell the models apart, the base model has a single charger with space behind it for another (above the battery) and the premium has two of them.

Thanks. I assume that means a 3KW charger can be easily added to the base model. And I assume it's the same on the SR/S.

If that's the case, this bike is now more temping to me.

I am sure you know my fomula for how many bikes we should own. It's "N + 1" where "N" is the number we currently own.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Yes, but the SR/F charger is programmed for a 14.4 battery.  Yes, it is probably just four of the 800W circuits together.

I'm not saying you couldn't put more charger on the F-platform, just that the Zero ones aren't programmed for it so you'd have to go third-party.

It wouldn't fit form-factor, either.

-Crissa

[DonTom]

Yes, but the SR/F charger is programmed for a 14.4 battery. -Crissa

And the SR/S always has the 14.4 battery.  The SR/S is much like an SR/F, but the SR/S has a fairing and is a lot more comfy (to me) than the SR/F. The SR/F makes me lean down so I have to tilt up my head. The SR/S doesn't have this issue and is more comfy for other reasons as well.

The SR/S has the same battery and charger options as the SR/F.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Crissa]

Yes, but the SR/F charger is programmed for a 14.4 battery. -Crissa

The SR/S has the same battery and charger options as the SR/F.

The title of the thread is 'FXS'.  X-platform, not F.

-Crissa

[TheRan]

I don't think battery size really matters (as long as the size and charger combo doesn't result in greater than 1C charging), after all the older models have had the same charger on capacities ranging from like 6.8 to 18kW/h (and the FX/S has the same whether it's a 3.6 or 7.2, and for the latter whether it's two separate packs or one). I don't think the charger even knows or cares what the capacity is, it's just charging to a specific voltage and all the capacity changes is how long it takes to get there and how quickly it switches from constant current to constant voltage (or the other way round, always forget which it is).