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[ultrarnr]

The specs on the Live Wire are finally out!

https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/harley-davidson-livewire-technical-specifications/

[SBK74]

Battery useable 13,6 kWh, that's bigger than the forum's earlier estimates. If HD for 1,4 kW onboard says 20km/h, then the DC fast charge 308km/h, would result in 21,5 kW; that's plausible. I also read somewhere 40 min for 80% SOC, which would result in a lower over all DC charge rate.

Given the fact that they state 105 HP, I find their 0-60mph claim 0f 3.0s quite ambitious, basically Energica Ego figures, with less than EsseEsse9 power.

[David S]

86lb of torque ...lol GL Harley.

[BigPoppa]

What kind of motor tech are they using? Lower power figures than the EsseEsse9, bigger battery, yet range figures that are on par with the Energicas and less than the SR/F.

The more I find out about the production Livewire the more disappointed I am in lost potential. It’s interesting that when I read comments on websites they usually inflate the Premium SR/F’s $21k MSRP with tax+license estimates (which vary by state and county) yet they quote the $30k MSRP of the Livewire without tacking on the same tax + license estimates.

Seems like some H-D fans are trying to make the price difference between the Livewire’s direct competition seem smaller than it really is.

When both the premium SR/F and EsseEsse9 can be had for $21k MSRP with better specs in many areas and comparable specs everywhere else I can’t wrap my mind around what the marketing and sales strategy is with the  Livewire. Is the H-D brand really worth a $9k premium?

[stevenh]

What kind of motor tech are they using? Lower power figures than the EsseEsse9, bigger battery, yet range figures that are on par with the Energicas and less than the SR/F.

The more I find out about the production Livewire the more disappointed I am in lost potential. It’s interesting that when I read comments on websites they usually inflate the Premium SR/F’s $21k MSRP with tax+license estimates (which vary by state and county) yet they quote the $30k MSRP of the Livewire without tacking on the same tax + license estimates.

Seems like some H-D fans are trying to make the price difference between the Livewire’s direct competition seem smaller than it really is.

When both the premium SR/F and EsseEsse9 can be had for $21k MSRP with better specs in many areas and comparable specs everywhere else I can’t wrap my mind around what the marketing and sales strategy is with the  Livewire. Is the H-D brand really worth a $9k premium?

I was surprised by the lack luster specs.  I had hoped for more (I'd love to see them succeed).  I think having a strong network of dealers would sway some folks, along with the name.  Seeing the specifications made me happy with my recent choice on the SR/F (I should say more happy, since I was already happy!).  50 more pounds over the SR/F with less range and no Level 2, tough sell for around here (very few DC chargers in my neck of the woods).

Steve

[Richard230]

H-D has further updated the specifications for their new $30K+ LiveWire electric motorcycle, including having engineered-in an idle vibration feature that lets you know that it is "idling" when you are at a stop.  Note that they are already bragging that the LiveWire and its rider can be updated with original factory (Screaming Eagle?) accessories. I can hardly wait for the official $50 leather static electricity strap that will drag on the ground to prevent static electricity sparks when you dismount the LiveWire:   
https://electricmotorcycles.news/harley-davidson-livewire-update/

[JaimeC]

"GEAR OIL??"  Why does this thing need "Gear Oil???"

[Fran K]

DRIVETRAIN

Primary Drive (*Cert)   Spiral bevel gear , 55/17 ratio
Final Drive (*Cert)   Belt, 3/1 ratio
Transmission   Single Speed
Gear Ratios (overall) 1st (*Cert) (X.XXX)   10

[BigPoppa]

I was surprised by the lack luster specs.  I had hoped for more (I'd love to see them succeed).  I think having a strong network of dealers would sway some folks, along with the name.  Seeing the specifications made me happy with my recent choice on the SR/F (I should say more happy, since I was already happy!).  50 more pounds over the SR/F with less range and no Level 2, tough sell for around here (very few DC chargers in my neck of the woods).

Steve

I'm in complete agreement on both fronts. I REALLY, REALLY wanted the Livewire to be a competitive product at a competitive price. I'm also glad I went with my EsseEsse9. DC charging that's twice as fast and true level 2 charger support (even if it is only 3kw). Not to mention that although subjective, I think the fit and finish on my Energica is better than the Livewire at a much lower price point.

[Doug S]

I was surprised by the lack luster specs.  I had hoped for more (I'd love to see them succeed).  I think having a strong network of dealers would sway some folks, along with the name.  Seeing the specifications made me happy with my recent choice on the SR/F (I should say more happy, since I was already happy!).  50 more pounds over the SR/F with less range and no Level 2, tough sell for around here (very few DC chargers in my neck of the woods).

I wish I could say I was surprised. IMO, HD long ago crossed the line from being a serious motorcycle manufacturer to more of a lifestyle company. "Made in America" and "a louder bike is a safer bike" isn't enough for most motorcyclists any more, especially at the prices HD wants to charge these days.

About the only thing I do like about the LiveWire is the styling -- to my eye, it's a beautiful machine, and even looks fairly comfortable. Sure as HAIL isn't enough to get me to shell out $30k, though.

[Richard230]

The LiveWire seems to have a pretty decent capacity battery pack, considering the size of the platform.  I wonder what brand, type and chemistry of the cells that they are using?  I find it interesting the the bike is "optimized for urban riding."  So no touring on the LiveWire.   

[MVetter]

Why is the battery only charging at 1C? Why even offer CCS if you're only going to use it at 1C?

[ultrarnr]

"Optimized for urban riding" explains the lack of L2 charging. Most urban areas have enough CCS charging systems so charging isn't a problem. Once you start to leave urban areas CCS charging becomes harder to find so you are more likely to rely on L2 charging. If that L2 is 6.6 kw or so it may not be a problem. But L2 charging on the Live Wire is the same as L1. So you are either charging for 30-40 minutes or 8-10 hours. Have ridden my Zero SR and my Energica Eva 107 across North Carolina. There is no way I would attempt a trip like that on the Live Wire.

[Crilly]

CCS well charge the Livewire 0 to 80 percent in 40 minutes 

[MVetter]

CCS well charge the Livewire 0 to 80 percent in 40 minutes

Right. That's 1C. That's no better than the EU version of the SR/F with the Charge Tank. Why even do CCS in that case?