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[Skidrowe]

I've seen it implied in a few places and an attempt to explain it in a facebook post, but none of it got through my thick skull.  I bought what the dealer was calling a 2017 Energica Eva, but someone said it was actually a 2018 based on how VINs in the US are issued.  Can anyone explain this to me?  Is my bike 1 year older than the newest bikes on the dealer's floors or 2 years older?  Does Energica refer to them as a different model year than the dealers in the US do? Talk to me like I'm simple and dumb so that it's clear to all who might read this. 

Thanks,
-Skid

[BigPoppa]

I can't speak with any authority but I believe Energica does refer to them by a different model year than the US. When I started looking into them, everything I read said all Energicas in 2019 were getting traction control and cruise control. When I talked to my local dealer I was told that it was the 2020 models that were coming with traction control and cruise control. The 2019's they had on the floor did not have TC & CC.

I can at least confirm that my EsseEsse9 is a 2020 model and it has TC & CC.

I hope that helps...

[reini]

I can't speak with any authority but I believe Energica does refer to them by a different model year than the US. When I started looking into them, everything I read said all Energicas in 2019 were getting traction control and cruise control. When I talked to my local dealer I was told that it was the 2020 models that were coming with traction control and cruise control. The 2019's they had on the floor did not have TC & CC.

I can at least confirm that my EsseEsse9 is a 2020 model and it has TC & CC.

US 2020 model is the same thing as an European 2019 due to the way VINs are issued. The Energica homepage refers to the European model year, so everyone is correct 

[BigPoppa]

Thanks reini, that clarifies things. I admit I was a bit confused as well.

[DonTom]

I can't speak with any authority but I believe Energica does refer to them by a different model year than the US.

Yep. I learned that from the TTSE forum. The 2012 TTSE in England is the 2013 model in the USA.

In England, if you buy in Dec of  2019  it is not possible to buy any 2020 model. But it will be called a 2020 model in the USA. They use the date purchased new instead of a model year.  Perhaps it is that way throughout Europe. And perhaps a better idea.

Here in the USA  it can get confusing at times.

For one  example:

I have a 1984 Yamaha Venture. To buy parts, it is an 1984, 1983 parts often are different. But my 1984 Venture MUST be registered as a 1983. It has a frame date of "9/83".  But a special federal tax started on larger foreign made bikes made in 1984. IIRC, it was to give Harley a much needed break back then when sales were very low.  Since my 1984 Venture was made in 1983, it avoids that tax, so it must be registered as a 1983.

This Yamaha Venture of mine is often referred to as the "1983 and a half" Yamaha Venture.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Richard230]

I can't speak with any authority but I believe Energica does refer to them by a different model year than the US.

Yep. I learned that from the TTSE forum. The 2012 TTSE in England is the 2013 model in the USA.

In England, if you buy in Dec of  2019  it is not possible to buy any 2020 model. But it will be called a 2020 model in the USA. They use the date purchased new instead of a model year.  Perhaps it is that way throughout Europe. And perhaps a better idea.

Here in the USA  it can get confusing at times.

For one  example:

I have a 1984 Yamaha Venture. To buy parts, it is an 1984, 1983 parts often are different. But my 1984 Venture MUST be registered as a 1983. It has a frame date of "9/83".  But a special federal tax started on larger foreign made bikes made in 1984. IIRC, it was to give Harley a much needed break back then when sales were very low.  Since my 1984 Venture was made in 1983, it avoids that tax, so it must be registered as a 1983.

This Yamaha Venture of mine is often referred to as the "1983 and a half" Yamaha Venture.

-Don-  Reno, NV

That reminds me (having purchased a 1986 Honda VFR700FII when the rest of the world got a 750), I wonder when H-D will need another tariff break because their sales are falling or because the Livewire isn't selling?   

[wavelet]

I can't speak with any authority but I believe Energica does refer to them by a different model year than the US.

Yep. I learned that from the TTSE forum. The 2012 TTSE in England is the 2013 model in the USA.

In England, if you buy in Dec of  2019  it is not possible to buy any 2020 model. But it will be called a 2020 model in the USA. They use the date purchased new instead of a model year.  Perhaps it is that way throughout Europe. And perhaps a better idea.

Here in the USA  it can get confusing at times.

For one  example:

I have a 1984 Yamaha Venture. To buy parts, it is an 1984, 1983 parts often are different. But my 1984 Venture MUST be registered as a 1983. It has a frame date of "9/83".  But a special federal tax started on larger foreign made bikes made in 1984. IIRC, it was to give Harley a much needed break back then when sales were very low.  Since my 1984 Venture was made in 1983, it avoids that tax, so it must be registered as a 1983.

This Yamaha Venture of mine is often referred to as the "1983 and a half" Yamaha Venture.

-Don-  Reno, NV

I don't think this is EU-wide, but at some point in the late 1970s, German authorities got impatient with the abuse of the "model year" concept, and for all official purposes, there is only a "time of manufacture" date. Of course, that still leaves the issue of properly identifying a model where a refresh happened mid-year and there was no name change.

[DonTom]

I don't think this is EU-wide, but at some point in the late 1970s, German authorities got impatient with the abuse of the "model year" concept, and for all official purposes, there is only a "time of manufacture" date. Of course, that still leaves the issue of properly identifying a model where a refresh happened mid-year and there was no name change.

I have noticed here in the USA,  often when buying parts for cars, etc, they ask for the VIN number. Sometimes changes are even made in the middle of a model year. It's the VIN number that really counts for most things.

-Don-  Reno, NV