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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #15 on: July 07, 2019, 08:42:47 AM »

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I'm in the same exact boat as you. I've always liked that Zero had staying power, but I honestly hate all of their bikes. I saw the SR/F on the website and thought "now that is more like it, probably won't buy it tho". Stopped in the dealer and saw it in person, traded my harley in and ordered on the spot.

Same here. Had been thinking about buying an electric motorcycle for years. Never really liked what was out there, both, performance-wise and looks.
When I read the specs and early reviews on the SR/F, decided it was time. Went to the dealer and they had sold their demo so I could not try one.
Put a deposit and was told minimum 3 months.

Not happy about that long wait, started to browse the internet and found a dealer in the north east that sold me their demo with only 50 miles.
Was a bit worried about buying a bike so expensive without first riding it for a bit but decided to do it anyways and I am glad I did.

It is easy to love that machine: much better looking that most previous Zeros and then all that instant, quiet and plentiful torque at your disposal.

I like it now more than when I first got it as it's becoming quieter and softer on the suspension and the rear brake is biting better, as I put miles on it.

The only thing I don't like is the forward-leaning riding position but this is primarily due to my back and shoulders hurting due to an injury many moons ago.
I am in the middle of replacing the handlebar with a Pro Taper Evo Adventure (high model) and I am sure after that I will be sitting in the right position for me.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2019, 10:25:38 AM »

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I'm in the same exact boat as you. I've always liked that Zero had staying power, but I honestly hate all of their bikes. I saw the SR/F on the website and thought "now that is more like it, probably won't buy it tho". Stopped in the dealer and saw it in person, traded my harley in and ordered on the spot.

Same here. Had been thinking about buying an electric motorcycle for years. Never really liked what was out there, both, performance-wise and looks.
When I read the specs and early reviews on the SR/F, decided it was time. Went to the dealer and they had sold their demo so I could not try one.
Put a deposit and was told minimum 3 months.

Not happy about that long wait, started to browse the internet and found a dealer in the north east that sold me their demo with only 50 miles.
Was a bit worried about buying a bike so expensive without first riding it for a bit but decided to do it anyways and I am glad I did.

It is easy to love that machine: much better looking that most previous Zeros and then all that instant, quiet and plentiful torque at your disposal.

I like it now more than when I first got it as it's becoming quieter and softer on the suspension and the rear brake is biting better, as I put miles on it.

The only thing I don't like is the forward-leaning riding position but this is primarily due to my back and shoulders hurting due to an injury many moons ago.
I am in the middle of replacing the handlebar with a Pro Taper Evo Adventure (high model) and I am sure after that I will be sitting in the right position for me.

Nice, I almost wish I could've purchased the demo bike from my dealer, this wait has been killing me. Can't wait to hear about how the raised handlebar worked out for you.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2019, 10:23:46 PM »

The leanning-forward position on the SR/F (and the peg location) is indeed a valid point.
I thought I could get used to it but after 2 weeks, I gave up and I am in the process of swapping the handlebar for one that allows for a more upright position.
For now, I will leave the foot peg as they are because I think I am getting used to it. Might change my mind later on that.

I know there will be a penalty in range but if I don't enjoy riding the bike, it doesn't matter what the range is, if it just sits in the garage.

I have ordered all the parts and they should be arriving in the next couple of days.
It will take fine surgery to extend the cables that won't reach to the new handlebar. I already took everything apart and it appears that some cables will reach but I won't know for sure until the the new parts arrive.
The brake line looks like will need replacement but that is the easy part and it only cost around $60.

what makes the project a mess if that Zero used a bar with a diameter of 1 1/8" in the center but the controls are 7/8". The choices are limited with this combination and shimming (or funky adapters) is required.

There is no doubt in my mind that I will love the bike 100% when I get this mod done. I like it a lot now but resent the position of my hands on the handlebar, as they are not in a ergonomic/comfortable posture and would like to sit a bit more straight.
I will post pics once I complete the work
I for one would appreciate pics and details (parts needed and suppliers) please help as I agree that I would use the bike a lot more if I was more comfortable. I am a 66 year old rider and this position puts my hands to sleep after 10 or so miles. Love the bike however!
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2019, 10:51:18 PM »

I got the same thing with my SR/F.  I was originally concerned with the peg position but found that fine riding.  The only thing that bothers me is the wrists/shoulders from the handlebars.  I ordered a set a bar risers.  Going to have to see if there is enough room in the cables otherwise may have to consider a bigger job of extending them if the numbness in my wrists don't get better.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2019, 11:03:16 PM »

I got the same thing with my SR/F.  I was originally concerned with the peg position but found that fine riding.  The only thing that bothers me is the wrists/shoulders from the handlebars.  I ordered a set a bar risers.  Going to have to see if there is enough room in the cables otherwise may have to consider a bigger job of extending them if the numbness in my wrists don't get better.
Gary Please let us know how this works out as well. I am desperate to relieve the numbness problem so I can more enjoy this awesome bike.
Thanks in advance!
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #20 on: July 15, 2019, 05:55:14 AM »

I test-rode an SR/F yesterday and my first thought was that the foot pegs were too high. In fact, the position hurt my legs a little and I figured that I had just saved myself a bunch of money. Much to my amazement within a minute or two the pain left and the position didn’t bother me any more. The seat to handlebar geometry isn’t much different than my SR though I must admit I am quite interested to see if anyone has luck with risers as I wouldn’t mind being a little more upright. I rode the the top model with the 2  chargers so I was expecting it to feel heavy but it wasn’t that bad (all of my reasons for not buying one were melting away). I don’t really need fast charging so if I order one it will be the single charger model to  save weight and money. I really like the bike.  Very smooth and solid and dips into turns very easily. The salesman told me to stay in Street Mode but it didn’t feel any faster than my SR so I quickly pulled over and put it in Sport.  Now we’re talking. It feels quicker than the SR around town, especially from a stop, and on the highway there is a huge difference in acceleration. I whacked the throttle at 70mph and was  surprised at  how hard it threw me back. This is a seriously quick machine. I had been telling myself that I don’t need anything more powerful than my SR but now I want the SR/F anyway.  Besides, I really would like to have the electronic safety features. Even though the riding  position is on the sporty side, it is nowhere near a supersport and after riding it, I think  my 67-year-old bod can adapt. I had gone to the dealership to sell my Honda on consignment and the salesman knew me from buying my SR there so he told me to take the SR/F out for a ride.  Damn good sales technique.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #21 on: July 15, 2019, 06:04:13 AM »

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The salesman told me to stay in Street Mode but it didn’t feel any faster than my SR so I quickly pulled over and put it in Sport.
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Why did you have to pull over to change the mode? Don't you just have to let off acceleration like the other zeros?
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #22 on: July 15, 2019, 06:21:19 AM »

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The salesman told me to stay in Street Mode but it didn’t feel any faster than my SR so I quickly pulled over and put it in Sport.


Why did you have to pull over to change the mode? Don't you just have to let off acceleration like the other zeros?
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I had just gotten on the bike and wasn’t familiar with the controls yet. It is way more complex than my SR. Just playing it safe.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #23 on: July 15, 2019, 07:42:10 AM »

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The salesman told me to stay in Street Mode but it didn’t feel any faster than my SR so I quickly pulled over and put it in Sport.


Why did you have to pull over to change the mode? Don't you just have to let off acceleration like the other zeros?

I had just gotten on the bike and wasn’t familiar with the controls yet. It is way more complex than my SR. Just playing it safe.
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My dsr is easy too. That's crazy that Zero would make it harder and less safe to change modes on the sr/f while your riding.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2019, 08:20:34 AM »

Zero clearly got a lot right with their first Gen3 offering, the SR/F
But,
If you can afford to buy a 22K US moto, odds are good that a sport riding position is not optimal for you, simple demographics.
And along the same line of reasoning: if you are 25 or 28 and want a superb crotch rocket, odds are good you can't afford the SRF.
So Zero has made a superb statement, but maybe perfectly done well in terms of sales and knowing their customers.
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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2019, 08:54:18 AM »

It has a great seat.  Handle bars and lower pegs can be but on the bike to make it to your liking.
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« Reply #26 on: July 15, 2019, 06:00:44 PM »

Zero clearly got a lot right with their first Gen3 offering, the SR/F
But,
If you can afford to buy a 22K US moto, odds are good that a sport riding position is not optimal for you, simple demographics.
And along the same line of reasoning: if you are 25 or 28 and want a superb crotch rocket, odds are good you can't afford the SRF.
So Zero has made a superb statement, but maybe perfectly done well in terms of sales and knowing their customers.
Probably a good thing that Zero did not make the perfect bike for everyone (an unrealistic concept actually).  If they did they would probably be more than 6 months behind on orders rather than the current 3 months.
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« Reply #27 on: July 15, 2019, 07:32:54 PM »

I test-rode an SR/F yesterday and my first thought was that the foot pegs were too high. In fact, the position hurt my legs a little and I figured that I had just saved myself a bunch of money. Much to my amazement within a minute or two the pain left and the position didn’t bother me any more. The seat to handlebar geometry isn’t much different than my SR though I must admit I am quite interested to see if anyone has luck with risers as I wouldn’t mind being a little more upright. I rode the the top model with the 2  chargers so I was expecting it to feel heavy but it wasn’t that bad (all of my reasons for not buying one were melting away). I don’t really need fast charging so if I order one it will be the single charger model to  save weight and money. I really like the bike.  Very smooth and solid and dips into turns very easily. The salesman told me to stay in Street Mode but it didn’t feel any faster than my SR so I quickly pulled over and put it in Sport.  Now we’re talking. It feels quicker than the SR around town, especially from a stop, and on the highway there is a huge difference in acceleration. I whacked the throttle at 70mph and was  surprised at  how hard it threw me back. This is a seriously quick machine. I had been telling myself that I don’t need anything more powerful than my SR but now I want the SR/F anyway.  Besides, I really would like to have the electronic safety features. Even though the riding  position is on the sporty side, it is nowhere near a supersport and after riding it, I think  my 67-year-old bod can adapt. I had gone to the dealership to sell my Honda on consignment and the salesman knew me from buying my SR there so he told me to take the SR/F out for a ride.  Damn good sales technique.

I am happy to tell you that the folks at Zero made the wiring long enough to allow a handlebar with up to 10 inches rise and 5.5 pullback.
You can't go higher without having to extend the wiring but a 10 in. rise is pretty good if you just want to sit straight.
It is mostly done by freeing the bundled cables from their zip ties and often slightly changing the INTERNAL path the cables take to the handlebar. Once done, exterior looks of the cables are the same.

I will write a detailed article later with pictures but for the time being, here is a summary:

Don't laugh but this is what I chose for now: https://www.denniskirk.com/quadboss/black-7-8-in-suzuki-oem-bend-handlebar-12-368.p5902801.prd/5902801.sku

The idea was to further customize it by bending the ends downwards but I could not find a shop willing to do it. While looking for one, found this place where they can make handlebars from scratch, with a CNC pipe bender, to your liking and I had one made but now it must be powder coated before I can put it on and it will take a week.

Handlebar has to be 7/8 in. diameter at the controls. If using one with 7/8 clamping area, you will need the shims below.

I first tried a Pro Taper Evo Adventure High Bend Handlebar 1-1/8" which actually is perfect for the SR/F because it has 7/8 ends and 1 1/8 clamp area but it comes with only about 4 in. rise and I did not like that I was still leaning forward a bit, so I went ahead and bought one with a 10.5 in rise.
Given that the stock bar has about a 2 in. rise, the extra 2 in. did not help much.

Because the SR/F clamp is 1 1/8 you need shims. These will work: https://tboltusa.com/store/brp-18-to-78-handlebar-adapters-p-10682.html
The brake line has to be replaced regardless of the rise: there is not much wiggle room there. For my 10.5 in. riser I got a line 21 in. long and a 10MM 35 degrees banjo with a AN#3 on the other end. The stock line is about 16 in long.
This is what I used: https://www.denniskirk.com/magnum-shielding/black-pearl-designer-series-abs-upper-brake-line-35-10mm-21-in-as47121.p1910487.prd/1910487.sku
The most difficult part to find was the banjo that goes on the other end affixed to the ABS controller: 10 MM 90 degrees side sweep: https://classictube.com/product/brake-hose-fitting-an-3-3-8-10mm-x-1-0-x-3an-3-8-24-90-degree-side-sweep-chrome/

You have to drill 5 holes of different metric sizes and tap thread to 2 of them (for the left heated grip, as I have a premium model) You might need to buy a metric tap for this or change the 2 small screws to SAE type if you prefer.
4 copper crush washers will be needed too as well as very small and medium size black tie wraps.
Of course it is a tedious job: having to remove the headlight, the display and several other parts around the front and draining the hydraulic fluid to replace the line. Not fun.

But let me tell you: It was worth it! I truly love being able to sit straight on that beast and let it go. It is a heck of a lot more comfortable now (for me anyways with my bad back)
I was a bit concerned the high handlebar would make it hard to "command" the machine but to my surprise, it did not and is as easy to maneuver as before, whether at high speed, on a winding road or to position it in the right spot in the garage.

And the whole thing is fully reversible: As long as I don't loose the stock handlebar and brake line, I can put it back the way it was in just a few hours. :)

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Re: SR F could have been more versatile?
« Reply #28 on: July 15, 2019, 08:55:59 PM »

Thanks Netpro!. Brake line is doable especially with the parts you already found.  I was more concerned with the electronics and it seems they left enough to spare for that.  I will probably hold off buying the brake line until the risers are in to confirm it is not long enough and will have to be extended.  Also it will allow me to test and see if the 1 1/2” risers are enough or I want to go higher thus getting longer brake line.  Thanks for the great info.
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« Reply #29 on: July 15, 2019, 09:02:46 PM »

Thanks Netpro!. Brake line is doable especially with the parts you already found.  I was more concerned with the electronics and it seems they left enough to spare for that.  I will probably hold off buying the brake line until the risers are in to confirm it is not long enough and will have to be extended.  Also it will allow me to test and see if the 1 1/2” risers are enough or I want to go higher thus getting longer brake line.  Thanks for the great info.

My pleasure!
The good thing about the brake lines is they come in increments of 1 inch so you can get the perfect fit.
The bad thing is they have to be the right length, an inch too long or too short and the job does not come out right. Bugger.
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