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« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2019, 03:11:57 PM »

Curious, does anyone know any details about the 20kWh battery Energica uses in their MotoE race bikes? Reportedly that battery may be the basis for their next gen of street bikes, and is much lighter in weight.
I'm assuming it's still liquid-cooled; what is the chemistry? AFAIU, a major weight saving would be difficult without switching from the current LiFePO4 to something else.
I think I read somewhere that the race bikes don't have the metal cases around the battery pack but rather just a plastic package (which would not be suitable for the street). This is where they lose weight for the battery.
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« Reply #16 on: July 31, 2019, 06:13:48 PM »

The battery is lighter because they took the safety metal cage off from it and used the extra space to add more battery. These are Samsung SDI batteries. They come in set sizes and you build them up to the capacity you need. Samsung sells these for automotive and motorcycle uses. I believe, but I could be wrong, that Harley is using the same brand batteries in their LiveWire bike.
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« Reply #17 on: July 31, 2019, 09:46:50 PM »

I would get an Essesse now instead of waiting. There are a lot of threads on this forum about this sort of thing. Next year will always bring new refinements and better capability, sometimes there are big leaps, sometime just small improvements but if you wait for next year you will find it never really comes and before you know it 5+ years have gone by and you are still chasing and waiting on next years improvements. Go buy it now and enjoy. Energica makes awesome bikes, love my Eva 107.
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« Reply #18 on: September 09, 2019, 12:15:28 AM »

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« Reply #19 on: September 09, 2019, 03:56:46 AM »

I hope Energica comes up with a better paint job. That one looks like a WWI naval ship dazzle camouflage design.   ;)  Do paint jobs like that really help to hide the new models?  ::) Why not just hang a sign on the bike saying new 2020 Energica, take your spy photo now.   ;D
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« Reply #20 on: September 09, 2019, 05:52:25 AM »

The battery cooling "fins" definitely look different from the current models. Maybe this is the rumored 20kwh battery. Also, seeing the Esse Esse 9 wheelieing has me wondering if they're dropping the 107kw motor in it instead of the current 80kw motor.
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« Reply #21 on: September 09, 2019, 07:19:36 PM »

I wonder if they will drop the Eva and just keep the Esse?  I think the Esse is the comfort winner and just not enough difference in the two really.
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« Reply #22 on: September 09, 2019, 08:43:27 PM »

The battery cooling "fins" definitely look different from the current models. Maybe this is the rumored 20kwh battery. Also, seeing the Esse Esse 9 wheelieing has me wondering if they're dropping the 107kw motor in it instead of the current 80kw motor.
You can't get it up?
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« Reply #23 on: September 09, 2019, 09:58:10 PM »

I wonder if they will drop the Eva and just keep the Esse?  I think the Esse is the comfort winner and just not enough difference in the two really.
I've no idea how many Energica sell of each model, but was also thinking it might not make sense for them to have two naked street models.
Maybe the new battery, if indeed it's 20kWh, might allow a half-faired sport-tourer that still has decent range.
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« Reply #24 on: September 09, 2019, 10:00:12 PM »

The battery cooling "fins" definitely look different from the current models. Maybe this is the rumored 20kwh battery. Also, seeing the Esse Esse 9 wheelieing has me wondering if they're dropping the 107kw motor in it instead of the current 80kw motor.
You can't get it up?
I thought it was pretty difficult(though not impossible) to wheelie most electric bikes, given there's no clutch to dump.
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« Reply #25 on: October 30, 2019, 03:40:08 AM »

Exciting preview at the 2020 Ego with Nico Rosberg:
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« Reply #26 on: October 30, 2019, 03:53:46 AM »

Looks like there is a "21." sticker on the battery!
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« Reply #27 on: October 30, 2019, 09:05:39 AM »

Looks like there is a "21." sticker on the battery!
So it does. And claimed lower weight... If efficiency is the same (and given a faired bike with very similar-looking aerodynamics, don't see why it would be worse), the range should be at least ~70% more... Sounds promising!
Looking forward to seeing actual road tests, and hoping they also make a sport-tourer with with this battery with less agressive riding posture.
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« Reply #28 on: October 30, 2019, 09:57:16 AM »

So it does. And claimed lower weight... If efficiency is the same (and given a faired bike with very similar-looking aerodynamics, don't see why it would be worse), the range should be at least ~70% more... Sounds promising!
Looking forward to seeing actual road tests, and hoping they also make a sport-tourer with with this battery with less agressive riding posture.
And perhaps the larger battery  will be able to charge at around 50KW from CCS. If so, I will probably have another new bike next year!


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« Reply #29 on: October 30, 2019, 10:44:24 AM »

So it does. And claimed lower weight... If efficiency is the same (and given a faired bike with very similar-looking aerodynamics, don't see why it would be worse), the range should be at least ~70% more... Sounds promising!
Looking forward to seeing actual road tests, and hoping they also make a sport-tourer with with this battery with less agressive riding posture.

Do you mean different than the SS9?
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