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Author Topic: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?  (Read 3401 times)

ESokoloff

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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #15 on: June 04, 2019, 09:46:30 AM »

Before I changed out the stock tires I had the rear ended step out on me three times.
The first time was on my way home from picking it up & the last time I managed to pulled a muscle or two but I kept it under control all three times.

When the original/ stock tires were toast, I changed them for rounder profiled ones.
I ceased having issues so either I learned to moterate my right wrist &/or the new rear tire helped.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #16 on: June 04, 2019, 04:58:27 PM »

I do wonder if the stock tires play into it some.  What tires did you go with?
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #17 on: June 04, 2019, 08:10:21 PM »

First change was
(F) Continental (TKC 70)
(R) Shinko (TrailMaster)

(It made me feel better having a 
perceived less “cheesy” front)

Second (or 3rd??) change (presently installed)
are Pirelli Scorpions (less dirt/more street oriented).

I’m a bit disappointed that the rears made in China.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #18 on: June 04, 2019, 11:21:21 PM »

Spent the past 2 winters commuting on my DSR through Seattle's dark, hilly, slick streets.  Never had a problem, but it's certainly not because I'm some kind of highly-skilled rider. 
Just take it easy, give yourself time to adjust from the ICE's characteristics, ride in a mindful way, and be judicious with the right hand. 

After playing with the modes for the first 1,000mi, the DSR has never left Custom mode for the last 5,000mi despite road conditions.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #19 on: June 04, 2019, 11:41:59 PM »

What's your custom mode settings?
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #20 on: June 05, 2019, 12:10:27 AM »

I do wonder if the stock tires play into it some.  What tires did you go with?

I have bridgestone battlax a41 on mine, and it made a huge difference in traction and cornering. They are more street oriented as well.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #21 on: June 05, 2019, 06:06:36 PM »

First change was
(F) Continental (TKC 70)
(R) Shinko (TrailMaster)

(It made me feel better having a 
perceived less “cheesy” front)

Second (or 3rd??) change (presently installed)
are Pirelli Scorpions (less dirt/more street oriented).

I’m a bit disappointed that the rears made in China.
Which of those did you like the best?  I've got the Michelin Anakee Adventure tires on my VFR1200X and digging them.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #22 on: June 06, 2019, 02:19:13 PM »

The DSR is a great bike and if you've managed to get your hands on one, consider yourself very lucky!.:-)

My top tip is to never snap the throttle wide open and use eco mode in the wet. As others have suggested. Use your noggle and you'll be fine.

TC is a nice safety feature to have if you ever hit diesel in the dark, but many thousands of riders have managed without it on powerful bikes for decades.
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Jarrett

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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #23 on: June 06, 2019, 05:35:14 PM »

Yeah, apparently I got the last one.  Not sure if that's a good thing or bad thing.

The more I learn about these bikes the more I realize the current R models are similar in performance to a 650 naked bike.  And I suspect there are plenty of people riding around out there on 650 naked bikes without traction control just fine.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #24 on: June 06, 2019, 07:29:37 PM »

First change was
(F) Continental (TKC 70)
(R) Shinko (TrailMaster)

(It made me feel better having a 
perceived less “cheesy” front)

Second (or 3rd??) change (presently installed)
are Pirelli Scorpions (less dirt/more street oriented).

I’m a bit disappointed that the rears made in China.
Which of those did you like the best?  I've got the Michelin Anakee Adventure tires on my VFR1200X and digging them.

For now I’m sticking with 90/10 tires so unless I find a different offering I’ll spoon on another set of Pirelli’s in a few months/thousands miles.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #25 on: June 14, 2019, 11:33:11 PM »

Just got word my dealer is finishing up prep on my DSR.  Hope to go pick it up tonight or tomorrow morning.  Trying to talk someone into dropping me off so I can ride it 52 miles home, but might have to take the trailer.

For both my FX and DSR, it seems I was able to pick them up almost exactly 3.5 weeks from the day I put my deposit down.  Seems reasonable for a built to order bike.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #26 on: June 15, 2019, 01:09:48 AM »

If you're afraid of losing traction you need to PRACTICE losing traction so that it's no longer scary, unknown territory.

Start on dirt, gravel, or smooth concrete like a parking garage or warehouse. Get used to locking up the rear brake and sliding the bike around more and more as you come to a stop. Get used to breaking the rear wheel free with bursts of power. You'll gradually get more of an understanding how the traction actually works. It will no longer be a mystery and a Zero DSR of all things will no longer be DANGEROUS to you.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #27 on: June 15, 2019, 01:38:58 AM »

What's your custom mode settings?

Speed, Torque, and Brake Regen at 100%, Max Regen @60%.

It would be interesting to find out if the average long-term rider continues to play with the modes based on road conditions or ends up sticking with one setting so that the bike's behavior is no longer a changing variable.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #28 on: June 15, 2019, 03:48:19 AM »

What's your custom mode settings?

Speed, Torque, and Brake Regen at 100%, Max Regen @60%.

It would be interesting to find out if the average long-term rider continues to play with the settings based on road conditions or ends up sticking with one setting so that the bike's behavior is no longer a changing variable.

I stick with my custom setting and never use anything else.  I just feel comfortable coasting with the throttle shut.
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Re: DSR - No Traction Control - Dangerous?
« Reply #29 on: June 16, 2019, 12:35:28 AM »

What's your custom mode settings?

Speed, Torque, and Brake Regen at 100%, Max Regen @60%.

It would be interesting to find out if the average long-term rider continues to play with the settings based on road conditions or ends up sticking with one setting so that the bike's behavior is no longer a changing variable.

I stick with my custom setting and never use anything else.  I just feel comfortable coasting with the throttle shut.

Same here. Coasting gives the best range too, in most circumstances. 
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