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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #90 on: September 08, 2019, 02:35:48 AM »

455 pounds is really impressive for a 20 kWh battery if it's true. Still no mention of delivery date.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #91 on: September 08, 2019, 04:09:24 AM »

Hmmm... Let's see what changed since the March PR:

-- Curb weight: Is now lower (485lbs to 455lbs / 220kg to 207kg ) -- and incidentally, someone there doesn't even know how to round non-integer numbers. 455lbs is 207kg, not 206kg.
455 lbs == 206.38kg which should be properly rounded to 206. I'm not sure where you get your 207 number from...?
Or... Did you approximate to 2.2lbs/kg? It's actually 2.2046(...) which means it rounds down further than using 2.2 would suggest.

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-- Battery: Explicitly liquid-cooled, which is good if true (and hard to credit given the low weight).
Where did you see it labeled as liquid cooled? I see the motor, inverter, and controller listed as liquid-cooled, but no mention of the batteries other than "Integrated thermal management system" which could be ? ? ? a heatsink ? ? ?

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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #92 on: September 08, 2019, 07:29:07 AM »

Hmmm... Let's see what changed since the March PR:

-- Curb weight: Is now lower (485lbs to 455lbs / 220kg to 207kg ) -- and incidentally, someone there doesn't even know how to round non-integer numbers. 455lbs is 207kg, not 206kg.
455 lbs == 206.38kg which should be properly rounded to 206. I'm not sure where you get your 207 number from...?
Or... Did you approximate to 2.2lbs/kg? It's actually 2.2046(...) which means it rounds down further than using 2.2 would suggest.
Thanks!  :-[ Yes, my bad -- I used a quick conversion shortcut on my phone which turns out to use the 2.2 approximation. That'll teach me to be pedantic where it doesn't matter...
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-- Battery: Explicitly liquid-cooled, which is good if true (and hard to credit given the low weight).
Where did you see it labeled as liquid cooled? I see the motor, inverter, and controller listed as liquid-cooled, but no mention of the batteries other than "Integrated thermal management system" which could be ? ? ? a heatsink ? ? ?
Hmm... The previous specs in the March PR didn't say anything about a battery TMS at all.
I took the "integrated TMS" here to mean an active system (otherwise, it's not really management), which would rule out a heatsink (or just fins).
I further extrapolated that
(1) unlike some BEV cars, they can't use a needed-anyway-for-cabin-cooling airconditioning system to cool the battery;
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(2) they wouldn't  have two separate different active systems on the bike: not enough room, and certainly not enough weight margin given the low curb weight.

However, given the odd phrasing of some of the other items, and the contradictions in the March PR, it's probably not a good idea to extrapolate anything.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #93 on: September 09, 2019, 11:18:44 PM »

Richard Hatfield has announced first Strike delivery.

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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #94 on: September 14, 2019, 08:18:35 PM »

Well the website changed again.
The LS 218 is back at the first tab and the "about" section is gone from the Strike.  The "about" section showed the unlikely spec number differences that didn't make any sense.
Like the 10kWh Strike weighing 455 and the 20kWh Carbon Strike only weighing 30 pounds more (485).  That was with a bigger 120hp motor (90 hp for the 10kWh) and 6kw charger and the CCS setup.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #95 on: September 15, 2019, 02:32:32 PM »

It's really too bad that Hatfield doesn't see the need to post the specs for the basic Strike. That is what has the potential to sell well based on the initial specs. But it doesn't seem that Lightning is going to have bikes in stock that you can walk in and buy. You have to order them. I think Lightning will remain a small boutique builder of bikes and will never become a main stream electric motorcycle maker like Zero or Energica.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #96 on: September 15, 2019, 09:20:42 PM »

There is just no way even just the 10kWh worth of battery only weighs 30 pounds.  When you include the other components it's very unrealistic.
As always the question of why can't they get the right numbers comes up.
It's like they gave a China factory target specs and now they are waiting for them to deliver on that goal.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #97 on: September 16, 2019, 02:44:44 AM »

There is just no way even just the 10kWh worth of battery only weighs 30 pounds.  When you include the other components it's very unrealistic.
As always the question of why can't they get the right numbers comes up.
It's like they gave a China factory target specs and now they are waiting for them to deliver on that goal.

And of course, China is famous for meeting manufacturing goals, specifications and requirements.   ::)
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #98 on: September 16, 2019, 03:10:59 AM »

There is just no way even just the 10kWh worth of battery only weighs 30 pounds.  When you include the other components it's very unrealistic.
As always the question of why can't they get the right numbers comes up.
It's like they gave a China factory target specs and now they are waiting for them to deliver on that goal.

And of course, China is famous for meeting manufacturing goals, specifications and requirements.   ::)
Actually, that's also been bothering me for a while.
Lightning's bikes are high-end electric sportbikes. The global market for those per year is currently probably ~1-2K/year (*).
The internal market in China for them is zero (there are a virtually no >300cc motorcycles in China at all, and almost all of them are police or government-use bikes).

Many of the Lightning components (suspension, brakes, tires) are high-end low-volume items, made in developed countries.
Given the initial market is North America only, and then Europe, It makes no sense for the main assembly plant to be in China; bikes need to undergo QA close to the assembly line and close to the R&D team,  so any issues are easy to fix. 

A Chinese final-assembly plant (as opposed to Chinese components) would make sense only for very high-volume products, like electric scooters/mopeds, which Lightning's products aren't. There's a reason why every other series e-motorcycle maker has their plant in the home country, near the R&D people, even if a lot of the components are Chinese.

(*)Zero sells a few thousands bikes/year, but the majority are naked commuters or dirtbikes, and many are low range.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #99 on: September 20, 2019, 08:04:14 PM »

Well really this isn't much at all but they made a video of it on the road so here it is.

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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #100 on: September 20, 2019, 08:39:41 PM »

Oh. They now have a blue one.  I wonder if that is the same bike that was featured in their video shortly after the Strike was announced earlier this year?
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #101 on: September 21, 2019, 06:10:37 AM »

Of course. They had a blue, white, and yellow one. The white one is gone now. The blue one is the only one that's ever been shown actually in motion.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #102 on: September 21, 2019, 09:14:11 PM »

In the video, they show it rolling up to a stop sign and that was it. That bike in the beginning could have been any bike. What a waste of a video.
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Re: So is anyone going to make the leap of faith?
« Reply #103 on: January 05, 2020, 02:36:25 PM »

So this is an older video that I don't remember seeing so I'll post it here for those interested. It's from the open house they had back in the summer.
So from HadesOmega Moto here ya go.


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