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[Doug S]

It seems very likely it's a combination of the heavy investment they already have into their current setup coupled with a giant wad of cash they may not have to make the change.

This ^ and, as someone else pointed out, the battery pack is only capable of 1C charging anyhow. We've already got that with L2 solutions, so it doesn't seem to me that a DC solution is all that compelling. It would allow you to leave the weight and bulk of the charger behind, but it wouldn't allow you to charge any faster.

[MVetter]

Well and, more importantly, we still NEED Level 2 charging. At least where I am in California. If you eliminate all the onboard charging that means I have to live station to station. This is basically what H-D did with the LiveWire and the prospect is terrifying.

[Olle]

So frankly while the CCS/CHAdeMO stations sound wonderful, most of the infrastructure here in the US is the level 2 stations.

Not so in Europe. Zero needs DC charging to succeed here.

[MVetter]

As long as they have the 1C cap enabled it won't make any difference whether or not they can use DC stations in Europe, as the SR/F is very nearly at the limit with its 12kW units.

[Richard230]

Well and, more importantly, we still NEED Level 2 charging. At least where I am in California. If you eliminate all the onboard charging that means I have to live station to station. This is basically what H-D did with the LiveWire and the prospect is terrifying.

I think H-D's plan is for their LiveWire customers to go from H-D dealership to H-D dealership, looking for a DC charging station.   

[Olle]

As long as they have the 1C cap enabled it won't make any difference whether or not they can use DC stations in Europe, as the SR/F is very nearly at the limit with its 12kW units.

Well, we will have to pay extra for the charger, add extra weight to the bike and rely on extra electronics that can fail ... all really unnecessary.

[MVetter]

I think H-D's plan is for their LiveWire customers to go from H-D dealership to H-D dealership, looking for a DC charging station.   

Assuming there's a dealership every... 50 miles apart or whatever the highway range ends up being on that thing *IF* it actually comes out.

[DonTom]

Uh, I don't know what it's like where you are but in my area it's very common for ChargePoint stations to have both J1772 and a standard 5-15 (wall) outlet on them.

Which are neither DC nor chargers.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[MVetter]

Yeah. That's because you asked about AC outlets.

[DonTom]

Yeah. That's because you asked about AC outlets.

On DC chargers. We do not need AC outlets on J1772 (as long as we have the adapter cable or J inlet).

There is one exception, I have seen AC outlets on J-1772 stations. They come in handy when the J-1772 is being used on a cage.

If they would put AC outlets on the DC chargers, there will be a heck of a lot more chargers we can use.

-Don-

[reini]

So frankly while the CCS/CHAdeMO stations sound wonderful, most of the infrastructure here in the US is the level 2 stations.

Not so in Europe. Zero needs DC charging to succeed here.

Exactly. I'm currently thinking about buying either a SR/F or an Energica Eva SS9. I'm going to test ride both, but I'm afraid it will come down to (quick) charging. Both cost about the same in Europe and the Eva charges twice as fast. And we have a lot of CCS chargers here in Austria.

[pacificcricket]

Rule of thumb for NMC (like the ones used on Zero) cells : doesn't matter how big your battery is, or how beefy chargers you use, or where you plug in, you still can't get a full charge in under 1 hour without risking a damage to the cells. I'm sure people have done it, and had success, but Farasis puts the max charging current at 1C, which means 1 hour min.

[alko]

I think H-D's plan is for their LiveWire customers to go from H-D dealership to H-D dealership, looking for a DC charging station.   

Assuming there's a dealership every... 50 miles apart or whatever the highway range ends up being on that thing *IF* it actually comes out.

Don't forget that "electrify america" teamed up with Wal-Mart to install non-propriotory  dc chargers at over 600 Wal-Mart's by end of 2019. There are already 2 within 50 miles from me, and 3 within 100 miles.

[DonTom]

Don't forget that "electrify america" teamed up with Wal-Mart to install non-propriotory  dc chargers at over 600 Wal-Mart's by end of 2019. There are already 2 within 50 miles from me, and 3 within 100 miles.

They will also have level two AC charging that our Zeros can use.

But no Telsa SuperChargers?

-Don-  Reno, NV

[ultrarnr]

None of the Electrify America charging stations in North Carolina have L2 charging. They only have one CHAdeMO and several (varies) number of CCS chargers. They also installed some of them close to the store so they are frequently ICE'd.