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[af1 racing]

go with option 3 with a proper and safe 14-50 outlet, only $70 more, bit more future proof, for if you ever get the charge tank on the zero or a different EV car in the future.  As you know, once you try EV, you have a hard time going back....a bit addicting.

[vinceherman]

This is what is in the laundry room.  If I flip it so it is on the garage side of the wall, I can run with it.  Right?  Assuming I choose a unit that limits the current to 24A.
That way I won't need a new box in the basement to support new circuits. 

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

Yes, that's NEMA 10-30R, the same that I'm charging from.

Check the upstream breaker for its rating, and do not take it for granted that even 24A will work. Start with 15A and then try 20A and then 24A. Electrical systems are sometimes underrated in arbitrary ways, and you'll want to make sure your cable or the terminal connections don't warm up while unattended.

[gstrub]

What does the cord that comes with the SR/F look like? Is it plugging into that pictures outlet or a standard wall outlet?

[caza]

That is a lot better than the 1.4kW charging that I will have using the standard wall outlet.
My hope is that it will be fast enough charging to leave the bike at 60(ish)% overnight, and pop it on to charge before I jump in the shower in the morning.

My SR + Powertank goes from about 25% or less to 100 on the standard 1300 watt zero charger.

You don't need fast charging of any kind for overnight charges.

This will work with your existing dryer plug,  https://www.amazon.com/Zencar-Portable-Electric-Charging-Compatible/dp/B0758TLC8H/ref=sr_1_3?crid=CY5UIIZRFFCP&keywords=ev+charger+nema+10-30&qid=1552029089&s=gateway&sprefix=ev+charger+nema+%2Caps%2C195&sr=8-3

[Curt]

Crap... so much for my 14-50R plans... my breaker panel is full.
Photovoltaic system used last slots. $$$

[Curt]

Hmm... this is an intriguing solution for us dryer-outlet people.

https://www.bsaelectronics.com/products/dryer-buddy-4-30a-240v-splitter-5ft-cable-nema-10-30-plug-one-10-30-outlet-one-14-50-outlet?variant=5807019713

They have a splitter version, a dryer/EVSE manual switch version, and a dryer/EVSE automatic switch version.

[Ndm]

Speaking from experience (I'm on my fourth electric vehicle) I recommend getting an evse like the juice box or Tesla Wall connector, capable of high amperage but user adjustable to grow with your electric load requirements, sure 16a may do for now but if you up your service in the garage your buying yet another evse

[af1 racing]

Crap... so much for my 14-50R plans... my breaker panel is full.
Photovoltaic system used last slots. $$$

have an pro electrician take a look.  Sometimes they can do half-height 15A breakers, and free up some slots.

[DynoMutt]

On the door, there may/should be a breaker panel diagram sheet.
That has images which will tell if half-height 15a breakers can be used, but if possible, they're usually the bottom switches in the panel.

I am not an electrician, but I believe in balance.  That is the basis of my suggestion below:

I'd guess the way to go would be to take the two dishwasher 15s and combine them into two half-height 15s to free up that bottom right breaker, you now have a void large enough for a 240v breaker, perhaps move the oven/range breaker over to that slot, and then put a 60a breaker in on the left side where the oven/range breaker was.  I see that you have a 200a service breaker, so you should be reasonably safe.

Ask an electrician, and also ask them if there are any known issues with the make of your panel and breakers, some vendors have had fire safety issues in the past and been sued out of business. (tin-foil hat speaking)

[Curt]

Thank you guys, I'll look into the half height breakers and see what I can do.

By the way, Costco has the Juice Box for $500, with Wi-Fi connectivity and all. But the cable management seems lacking.

[Curt]

I'd guess the way to go would be to take the two dishwasher 15s and combine them into two half-height 15s to free up that bottom right breaker, you now have a void large enough for a 240v breaker, perhaps move the oven/range breaker over to that slot, and then put a 60a breaker in on the left side where the oven/range breaker was.  I see that you have a 200a service breaker, so you should be reasonably safe.

I have spent hours researching various hacks and commercial products.
Muahaha... Eureka!

The two Type MP-T 15A Single Pole breakers providing 240V to the dishwasher can be replaced with the Type MH-T "triplex" breaker pictured below, $25 from Home Depot. It still takes two slots, but provides 2 x 15A + 1 x 50A breaker. Then a dedicated 50A line and conduit can be run for vehicle charging.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

The Green Transportation blog/site is handy for topics like these.

Here's their article about home charging capacity/equipment:
https://greentransportation.info/ev-charging/range-confidence/chap6-home-charging/index.html

[Curt]

The Green Transportation blog/site is handy for topics like these.

Thanks Brian, good article.

I learned enough to install the triplex breaker, lower right, conservatively using heavy 6 AWG which now needs to be routed ~18ft along the garage ceiling and down a wall to an outlet box right near where the JuiceBox Pro 40 will be mounted. The JuiceBox has a NEMA 14-50 plug on one end and a J1772 gun on the other, and is portable so it can be carried to RV parks, etc.

SR/F        Prem+CT	SR/F        Std+CT	Chevy          Bolt	SR/F Prem	SR/F Std
40	37	32	25	12	A
9.6	9.0	7.8	6.0	3.0	kW
14.4	14.4	60	14.4	14.4	kWh
1.7	1.8	9.5	2.5	4.5	h

[Ashveratu]

+ for the Juice Box 40 pro. I bought one for my sisters house and had an electrician install a 50amp 14-50 for it. It's overkill for her Volt but she is somewhat future proof now and it works great for my Model 3 when I visit.