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Author Topic: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.  (Read 1060 times)

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Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« on: March 04, 2019, 11:07:04 PM »

Hero's description says it not compatible with charging stations that require authentication. What does that mean? And how can I know ahead of time which stations are compatible and which aren't?
 I live in rural Mesquite nv which is 80 miles north of Las vegas and 40 miles south of st George ut along i-15. I would ride my bike to st george if i can plug it in using the j1772 adaptor plug while eating, shopping etc to give me enough charge to get home. Speed limit is 70-75 between here and st george, so I'd for sure run out of juice without putting a couple hours of charge in it.
Any I do would be appreciatiated.
I don't have money to spend on a "charge tank" or a "power tank" nor do I want the extra weight.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #1 on: March 05, 2019, 02:05:34 AM »

The SAE J1772 standard includes a specification for signaling, which is used mostly to negotiate an appropriate rate of charge:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SAE_J1772#Signaling

The Zero adapter plug doesn't do anything interactive on the signal pins. There may be a fixed-specification load resistor, but there's definitely no communications happening with that adapter.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #2 on: March 05, 2019, 11:52:02 AM »

Hero's description says it not compatible with charging stations that require authentication. What does that mean? And how can I know ahead of time which stations are compatible and which aren't? I live in rural Mesquite nv which is 80 miles north of Las vegas and 40 miles south of st George ut along i-15. I would ride my bike to st george if i can plug it in using the j1772 adaptor plug while eating, shopping etc to give me enough charge to get home. Speed limit is 70-75 between here and st george, so I'd for sure run out of juice without putting a couple hours of charge in it.
Any I do would be appreciatiated.I don't have money to spend on a "charge tank" or a "power tank" nor do I want the extra weight.
"Authentication" means it reads your vehicle. Such as when I plug in my Tesla at a Supercharger. It means as soon as I plug in, they read my VIN number and know who I am automatically.

Usually the smaller J1772  240 VAC stations will work with your J1772 adapter, such as ChargePoint, Clipper Creek, Blink, GreenLots and others. But you may need to have an account with them first. Not all of them are free, but some are.  The ones that authenticate  probably won't fit your adapter anyway.

And there is a lot of info here.

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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 12:03:10 PM »

The Tesla SuperCharger stations read your VIN etc. None of the level 2 stations do to my knowledge.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 07:04:02 PM »

Some of the older GE Wattstations required two way communication with the vehicle and won't work with the ZERO J1772 adapter. I have heard the newer stations will but I have never tried any of them.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2019, 11:28:23 PM »

The short answer is that Zero states this so they are not held liable for a faulty product.

Most charging stations do not do this, so you should feel confident being able to use this, and any failures should be highly exceptional.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #6 on: March 07, 2019, 04:09:51 AM »

Thanks guys for all the info. I feel much better about ordering the adaptor now. Since i dont do any real long road trips, it'll be fine for now and cheap.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #7 on: March 07, 2019, 04:13:39 AM »

The adaptor used to cost $300 but is only $150 now from zero. When I emailed zero the same question, they didn't tell me anything usefull, so thank goodness for this forum.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #8 on: March 07, 2019, 06:58:07 AM »

I bought mine used from another user on this forum.  He purchased a charge tank so didn't need the adapter anymore.  It works just fine for my purposes.  About an hour for lunch and I'll have an additional ten miles of range and sometimes that ten miles is the difference between riding and walking if I haven't been paying attention.

Make sure you have the Plugshare app on your phone so you know where the local charging stations are.  Closest one to my office is at the Tanger Outlet Mall near me.  I can go have lunch while I top off the charge in the afternoon so I can take the long way home in the evening.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #9 on: March 07, 2019, 09:56:19 AM »

I bought mine used from another user on this forum.  He purchased a charge tank so didn't need the adapter anymore.  It works just fine for my purposes.  About an hour for lunch and I'll have an additional ten miles of range and sometimes that ten miles is the difference between riding and walking if I haven't been paying attention.

Make sure you have the Plugshare app on your phone so you know where the local charging stations are.  Closest one to my office is at the Tanger Outlet Mall near me.  I can go have lunch while I top off the charge in the afternoon so I can take the long way home in the evening.



Thanks. I remember seeing that discussion on here and appreciate you chiming in. I expected more than 10 miles per hour of charge as I get more than that at home. But its better than nothing. Maybe ill find a used charge tank someday.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #10 on: March 07, 2019, 10:40:12 AM »

Thanks. I remember seeing that discussion on here and appreciate you chiming in. I expected more than 10 miles per hour of charge as I get more than that at home. But its better than nothing. Maybe ill find a used charge tank someday.

That's ten miles on the highway.  More if you stick to the surface streets.  Like I said, it makes a difference.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #11 on: March 07, 2019, 11:59:48 AM »

I have two of them, one from Tucson EV and one from Zero
They seem to send a signal to the Charge Station as soon as plugged in.
I have used them both for several years and have never had an issue with
any of them. I live in Vegas, maybe I'll take a ride out there one day and ride with you.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #12 on: March 07, 2019, 08:54:52 PM »

I've got the only Zero in mesquite. I wont be hard to find. Lol
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #13 on: March 07, 2019, 09:49:07 PM »

I live in Vegas, maybe I'll take a ride out there one day and ride with you.

Damn.  I forgot to look you up when I was out there last week!  I was on four wheels (Camaro convertible) since my wife can no longer climb on to a motorcycle anymore but it would've been fun to meet another Zero rider.  We seem to be few and far between.
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Re: Question about the Zero J17722 Adaptor Plug.
« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2019, 03:09:07 AM »

I was in Vegas as well last weekend to actually meet another Zero owner. Time constraints prevented me this last time but I definitely want to go from Monterey Bay to Vegas on my Zero. I mapped out all the stops on PlugShare already. Looks like a good ride. Little boring through the desert mayhaps but I still wanna do it sometime this year.
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