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[vinceherman]

I can't really see whats under the lid but I wonder if the "no gap" tank let a little water in and an extra seal fixed a possible water problem with a small gap issue being a by-product.

My SR/F also has the panel gap.  The seal appears to have reasonable pressure on it.
Looking at the radar, I might have an opportunity to test the seal on the way home tonight.

[vinceherman]

One happy guy

[vinceherman]

I attempted to connect the bike and the app on my iPhone but it will not even try unless the phone can see the internet.  Guess what we don't have in the parking garage at work.

[GaryArt1]

Looks great there.  Congrats and all the luck in the world with it.  From all I see and read, it sounds like a winner.  I can’t wait for mine.  Sometime in the next week and half.  Can’t come soon enough.  Enjoy and tell us about it.

[togo]

Test rode one Saturday, what a awesome step forward for Zero.

It wanted to lift front wheel like an Energica, and has a robust belt, very nice.  Definitely a bigger frame and tank, a more powerful feel.  I'll either have to get better financing or pay a lot more off my Tesla.  If any of you'd like to help me pay it off, referral codes n stuff are at http://of.net/RED3

[Redblade]

I was curious as to what models people ordered. I ordered the premium primarily for the 6.6Kw charger (don't really care about the other things it came with). I am now having a bit of regret because I feel like I should've just purchased the base model with the additional 6.6Kw charger add on to get 9.9Kw for the same price as the premium model. I was already planning on putting bar end mirrors on, so that removes the premium bar ends, I live in Florida so I don't need the heated grips, and I don't really care about that plastic cover on the front.

[GaryArt1]

I was curious as to what models people ordered. I ordered the premium primarily for the 6.6Kw charger (don't really care about the other things it came with). I am now having a bit of regret because I feel like I should've just purchased the base model with the additional 6.6Kw charger add on to get 9.9Kw for the same price as the premium model. I was already planning on putting bar end mirrors on, so that removes the premium bar ends, I live in Florida so I don't need the heated grips, and I don't really care about that plastic cover on the front.

I ordered the premium also mainly because of the 6kw charger.  This is the most my home charger can effectively handle and most commercial chargers in my area.  I may get the power tank in the future.  I like have this option so that is why I didn't consider the charge tank.  Also I was a little worried the charge tank models may be made after other models.  Being in the Northeast, the heated grips are a plus. 

[Redblade]

I was curious as to what models people ordered. I ordered the premium primarily for the 6.6Kw charger (don't really care about the other things it came with). I am now having a bit of regret because I feel like I should've just purchased the base model with the additional 6.6Kw charger add on to get 9.9Kw for the same price as the premium model. I was already planning on putting bar end mirrors on, so that removes the premium bar ends, I live in Florida so I don't need the heated grips, and I don't really care about that plastic cover on the front.

I ordered the premium also mainly because of the 6kw charger.  This is the most my home charger can effectively handle and most commercial chargers in my area.  I may get the power tank in the future.  I like have this option so that is why I didn't consider the charge tank.  Also I was a little worried the charge tank models may be made after other models.  Being in the Northeast, the heated grips are a plus.

Ahh yea, I didn't consider the potential additional wait times. I have seen that plenty of the "6.6" level 2 chargers seem to be able to do around 9 in quite a few areas, but it is hit or miss. I was going to get a 10Kw station in my garage too. Owell, I'm sure I'll be happy with my premium model whenever I finally get it.

[DonTom]

I was curious as to what models people ordered. I ordered the premium primarily for the 6.6Kw charger (don't really care about the other things it came with). I am now having a bit of regret because I feel like I should've just purchased the base model with the additional 6.6Kw charger add on to get 9.9Kw for the same price as the premium model. I was already planning on putting bar end mirrors on, so that removes the premium bar ends, I live in Florida so I don't need the heated grips, and I don't really care about that plastic cover on the front.

An easy fix that will make you feel a lot better about your choice  . . .

Add  on the Power Tank when it comes out in a couple of months and then you will be very glad that you did NOT buy the 3.3 KW version.

I will consider the SR/F after it's been on the road for a while and all the accessories are available. And I will only consider the premium with the power tank.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Redblade]

I was curious as to what models people ordered. I ordered the premium primarily for the 6.6Kw charger (don't really care about the other things it came with). I am now having a bit of regret because I feel like I should've just purchased the base model with the additional 6.6Kw charger add on to get 9.9Kw for the same price as the premium model. I was already planning on putting bar end mirrors on, so that removes the premium bar ends, I live in Florida so I don't need the heated grips, and I don't really care about that plastic cover on the front.

An easy fix that will make you feel a lot better about your choice  . . .

Add  on the Power Tank when it comes out in a couple of months and then you will be very glad that you did NOT buy the 3.3 KW version.

I will consider the SR/F after it's been on the road for a while and all the accessories are available. And I will only consider the premium with the power tank.


I don't know if the 12Kw will ever be useful. If I was going to be spending any more money, I would've rather purchased something with DC fast charging....I still kind of regret not just waiting for lightning, since the carbon edition might be shipping the same time as a lot of the SR/F's.


-Don-  Reno, NV

[DonTom]

I don't know if the 12Kw will ever be useful. If I was going to be spending any more money, I would've rather purchased something with DC fast charging....I still kind of regret not just waiting for lightning, since the carbon edition might be shipping the same time as a lot of the SR/F's.

Did you notice that I said "power tank" not charge tank?

Yeah, 12 KW charging will rarely be useful here in the USA unless things start to change here.

But where will you find DC charging for the lightning?  What voltage does it need for its DC charging?

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

[Redblade]

I don't know if the 12Kw will ever be useful. If I was going to be spending any more money, I would've rather purchased something with DC fast charging....I still kind of regret not just waiting for lightning, since the carbon edition might be shipping the same time as a lot of the SR/F's.

Did you notice that I said "power tank" not charge tank?

Yeah, 12 KW charging will rarely be useful here in the USA unless things start to change here.

But where will you find DC charging for the lightning?  What voltage does it need for its DC charging?

-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV

Ah my bad, did not notice, but I don't really want to keep throwing more and more money to a bike that is already over 20k. There are plenty of DC stations, not many in my area but they are expanding. Plus the range is already better at a cheaper price. Not sure what voltage it needs.

Either way, I'm hoping the Lightning is as good as it sounds on paper, because I will be trading in my SR/F if there is a lightning dealer that opens up within a reasonable distance from me. On paper it is better than the SR/F in almost every way.

[DonTom]

Ah my bad, did not notice, but I don't really want to keep throwing more and more money to a bike that is already over 20k. There are plenty of DC stations, not many in my area but they are expanding. Plus the range is already better at a cheaper price. Not sure what voltage it needs.

Either way, I'm hoping the Lightning is as good as it sounds on paper, because I will be trading in my SR/F if there is a lightning dealer that opens up within a reasonable distance from me. On paper it is better than the SR/F in almost every way.

IMO, anything new and expensive means we  will usually throw more money at it.  We can have much better luck when we buy used and often get a few extras with the deal.

But I was wondering what voltage and what type of DC chargers the lightning can use. 

I only find the Tesla Superchargers when it comes to DC, but I don't look for anything else and rarely even those. 99% of my charging is done at home on any of my EVs.

-Don-  Reno, NV

[Redblade]

Ah my bad, did not notice, but I don't really want to keep throwing more and more money to a bike that is already over 20k. There are plenty of DC stations, not many in my area but they are expanding. Plus the range is already better at a cheaper price. Not sure what voltage it needs.

Either way, I'm hoping the Lightning is as good as it sounds on paper, because I will be trading in my SR/F if there is a lightning dealer that opens up within a reasonable distance from me. On paper it is better than the SR/F in almost every way.

IMO, anything new and expensive means we  will usually throw more money at it.  We can have much better luck when we buy used and often get a few extras with the deal.

But I was wondering what voltage and what type of DC chargers the lightning can use. 

I only find the Tesla Superchargers when it comes to DC, but I don't look for anything else and rarely even those. 99% of my charging is done at home on any of my EVs.

-Don-  Reno, NV

True, but won't find a used SR/F for a bit. DC's are growing in number, the 12Kw may never even happen. Would have to look into the Lightning more to see what type of DC charging they use. I wish Lightning and Zero were working together because I think combined they could've had a true winner this year.

More people are buying streetfighters nowadays, seems to be the growing trend vs buying supersport bikes. So that is a plus for Zero, along with the ABS, stability control, and smart technology.

The problem is, people will still complain about the range and charge time. The lightning solves both of those problems..for the most part. DC isn't perfect, but it is better than banking on the 12Kw. Making the SR/F with the Lightning Carbons battery, lvl 3 charging and selling it closer to 16-17k would probably have a lot of ICE bike riders consider buying it.

Or better yet, Tesla should just buy Zero and rebadge them. That would boost sales and give us access to all the tesla charging infrastructure.

[DonTom]

The problem is, people will still complain about the range and charge time. The lightning solves both of those problems..for the most part. DC isn't perfect, but it is better than banking on the 12Kw. Making the SR/F with the Lightning Carbons battery, lvl 3 charging and selling it closer to 16-17k would probably have a lot of ICE bike riders consider buying it.

Or better yet, Tesla should just buy Zero and rebadge them. That would boost sales and give us access to all the tesla charging infrastructure.

DC would be the way to go if it were more common. That means 100% of the charger is on the street, not in your bike. Bike would be lighter with no on-board charger and no charging accessories needed, other than perhaps a high current DC charger at home.

But before you go for the DC charging, be sure you know where you can charge.

Elon Musk has already said that Tesla will NOT get into the motorcycle business. I heard he was almost killed on a motorcycle  and doesn't really care much for them from then on.

But for now, the J1772 AC outlets are perhaps the most common--and often free to use, especially here in the Reno area, but that means the charger must be in the vehicle (or carried).

But I don't find it to be a big deal, in most cases. The slower AC charging just means better planning is necessary.  And I kinda enjoy the forced breaks to charge, in many cases.

If I am going on a real long trip to the middle of nowhere, I will not consider any E-motocycle. At least not in my lifetime. Maybe someday they will have a very common DC standard for all EVs, which will make them much more popular.

Perhaps the sales of the SR/F will make Zero a larger company--and then be able to buy out Lightning and be even larger!

-Don-  Reno, NV