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Author Topic: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?  (Read 8511 times)

Jarrett

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Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« on: January 22, 2019, 12:17:04 AM »

I noticed up until the 2017 models, Zero used to include 0-60 specs with each model on their website.  It seems after that point, they quit doing it.

I wonder if there is another place to get up to date 0-60 specs on 2017+ models out there somewhere?
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #1 on: January 22, 2019, 08:57:46 AM »

I noticed up until the 2017 models, Zero used to include 0-60 specs with each model on their website.  It seems after that point, they quit doing it.

I wonder if there is another place to get up to date 0-60 specs on 2017+ models out there somewhere?
Do you have info. on the 0-60 on the 2016 SR?

-Don-  Auburn, CA
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #2 on: January 22, 2019, 09:21:10 AM »

I noticed up until the 2017 models, Zero used to include 0-60 specs with each model on their website.  It seems after that point, they quit doing it.

I wonder if there is another place to get up to date 0-60 specs on 2017+ models out there somewhere?
Do you have info. on the 0-60 on the 2016 SR?

-Don-  Auburn, CA

3.3 seconds, per Zero’s web site. https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-s/2016/specs.php
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #3 on: January 22, 2019, 12:52:19 PM »


Hello

This is probably because the acceleration values ​​are only reached at 100% battery.
With less than 50% SOC of the battery, the acceleration values ​​are drastically reduced. :o
There probably have some Zero Bestitzer won in court. ::)
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #4 on: January 22, 2019, 03:00:40 PM »


Hello

This is probably because the acceleration values ​​are only reached at 100% battery.
With less than 50% SOC of the battery, the acceleration values ​​are drastically reduced. :o
There probably have some Zero Bestitzer won in court. ::)
I was surprised to see the difference the power tank made in the acceleration, I assume  because of the extra weight.

Perhaps that is why my non-R DS 6.5 accelerates noticeably faster than my SR when both are in the eco mode.

Sport Mode is a much different story, of course.

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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #5 on: January 22, 2019, 05:10:24 PM »

In theory : acceleration x mass = torque * demultiplication / radius - friction  and speed = acceleration * time (if constant)

With a 72 kg driver assuming friction is zero (just to get the order of magnitude)

SR = 157 Nm, 17 inchs (0.43 m), weight with driver = 260 kg, demultiplication = 90 / 20
==> acceleration factor = 6.3
time for 60 mph (= 26.8 m/s) : 4.2 (3.9 with a 50 kg driver), and 4.5 with a powertank (+20 kg)

FXS = 106 Nm, 17 inchs, w = 205 kg with two batteries, 186 with one, demultiplication = 90/ 18
==> af = 6.62 with one battery, 6.01 with two batteries
time for 60 mph = 4 s woth one battery, 4.4 with two

For the SR you need a 0 kg driver to reach 3.1
I think this explains why they stopped mentioning these figures - they assume no driver and no friction !




Hello

This is probably because the acceleration values ​​are only reached at 100% battery.
With less than 50% SOC of the battery, the acceleration values ​​are drastically reduced. :o
There probably have some Zero Bestitzer won in court. ::)
I was surprised to see the difference the power tank made in the acceleration, I assume  because of the extra weight.

Perhaps that is why my non-R DS 6.5 accelerates noticeably faster than my SR when both are in the eco mode.

Sport Mode is a much different story, of course.

-Don- Auburn, CA
« Last Edit: January 22, 2019, 05:45:13 PM by Moto7575 »
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #6 on: January 22, 2019, 06:40:32 PM »

Moto, are you saying based on torque to weight ratio that the FXS is the quickest to 60?
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #7 on: January 22, 2019, 06:50:06 PM »

On the paper, with no added battery and a 72 kg driver, and assuming a constant torque.

But when you look at the numbers for FXS (https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fxs/2016/specs.php), they tell you that 0-60 is SMALLER with a larger battery - there seems to be a missing variable, probably using the two packs in parallel to provide more power...
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2019, 07:28:36 PM »

On the paper, with no added battery and a 72 kg driver, and assuming a constant torque.

But when you look at the numbers for FXS (https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/zero-fxs/2016/specs.php), they tell you that 0-60 is SMALLER with a larger battery - there seems to be a missing variable, probably using the two packs in parallel to provide more power...

The limiting factor is the amperes from the batteries. The FXS with one battery pack have limited max ampere vs. FXS with two battery packs.
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #9 on: January 22, 2019, 08:20:06 PM »

The limiting factor is the amperes from the batteries. The FXS with one battery pack have limited max ampere vs. FXS with two battery packs.

How will that affect it?
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #10 on: January 22, 2019, 10:37:23 PM »

The limiting factor is the amperes from the batteries. The FXS with one battery pack have limited max ampere vs. FXS with two battery packs.

How will that affect it?

I based my assumption on peak power. on FXS specs it's written that max peak power of single battery pack is 20kW and double battery pack is  34kW and power is roughly Volts * amperes, so if Volts are the same for both FXS, Amperes should be less on the single battery pack.
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #11 on: January 22, 2019, 11:36:47 PM »

What puzzles me is that if they have different power rating, and power = torque x distance, how can they share the same torque ?
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2019, 01:11:31 AM »

Well, an EV is easy to do 0-60 mph(100km/h) because you don't have too shift like a pro, just go.
Now we only need owners posting vids.
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2019, 01:51:36 AM »

0-60 time et quarter mile calculation : https://www.cognitoforms.com/Non81/_060TimesCalculator
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Re: Up to Date 0-60 Specs for Zero Motorcycles?
« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2019, 02:31:44 AM »

2018 SR with just a slight modification I hit 3 seconds or maybe a skosh under.
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