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[nevetsyad]

Ich habe es mir gerade wieder angesehen - er beginnt bei 59 oder 60% und endet bei 55%, wenn die Kamera ausgeschaltet wird. Ich brauche keine persönlichen Angriffe, ich habe mir das Video angesehen und den Prozentsatz für Anfang und Ende gesehen.

[centra12]

Starts at 64%

[dennis-NL]

English pls.
Ik ga toch ook geen Nederlands schrijven op een Engels forum? 

[centra12]

Attention the caravan coming

[Evilthor]

Never a single problem with my 2018 SR and we have had arctic conditions and 100 degree days

[centra12]

To come back to my real question.

How fast do you ride with your Zero's as well as with a normal motorcycle?
How high is your  kWh consumption?

Zero indicates the 2017 DSR with 30hp (22kW) continuous power. That's not much.

[kcfoxie]

We had a 2015 and 2017. The 2015 went away after a legal battle with the company, and they delayed and delayed until I started tweeting and tagging them about the ongoing failures we had with it (8% battery to 0% batter in 250ft, as an example). Somewhere around the 5th or 6th tweet, they agreed to make things right. Enter the 2017. It was fine from the standpoint of it didn't behave like the 2015. However it was reliable enough for me to find the inherent flaw in the Zero design: lack of battery cooling of any sort. I couldn't go more than 120-150 miles in a given day before it would stop recharging (I live in the southern US, 108F days are not unheard of, hell it's 65F right now and we aren't even out of January) once we got past spring. The final straw was when it overheated while charging after a total of 90-miles ridden on an 80F overcast day. I've had no such issues with my Energica. Between the lack of customer service and the lack of functionality in our climate, I cannot recommend one to anyone. Not unless you strictly intend to commute with it, and your commute doesn't involve highways nor exceeds 25 miles round trip (making it effectively useless as a commuter here).

[JaimeC]

...I cannot recommend one to anyone. Not unless you strictly intend to commute with it, and your commute doesn't involve highways nor exceeds 25 miles round trip (making it effectively useless as a commuter here).

Well I commute with it every day.  Round trip is 34 miles, all highway.  But then, I live in a temperate climate.  My 2016 had 17,000 miles on it before it was totaled in an accident last June.  My 2018 has 2,500 miles on it right now.

[Jarrett]

However it was reliable enough for me to find the inherent flaw in the Zero design: lack of battery cooling of any sort. I couldn't go more than 120-150 miles in a given day before it would stop recharging (I live in the southern US, 108F days are not unheard of, hell it's 65F right now and we aren't even out of January) once we got past spring. The final straw was when it overheated while charging after a total of 90-miles ridden on an 80F overcast day.

Would you mind elaborating on this?  I don't fully understand the issue here.

[Doug S]

However it was reliable enough for me to find the inherent flaw in the Zero design: lack of battery cooling of any sort. I couldn't go more than 120-150 miles in a given day before it would stop recharging (I live in the southern US, 108F days are not unheard of, hell it's 65F right now and we aren't even out of January) once we got past spring. The final straw was when it overheated while charging after a total of 90-miles ridden on an 80F overcast day.

I live in San Diego east county, and it's 73 here today. We often see 100+ during the summer, and I ride nearly every day, including several trips where I've fast-charged with my DigiNow several times in a day. The only overheating problem I've seen is due to my non-IPM motor (I have a 2014 SR with 45,000 miles on it), which can't take more than a couple of full-throttle stop-light races in hot weather.

Look, clearly you've had problems with your bikes, and of course that's going to leave a bad taste in anyone's mouth. But come on....overheating under normal circumstances on an 80F day? I'm skeptical at best. Again, I respect that you've had problems with your bikes, and it's more than fair to report those. But I think your'e dumping more on them than they deserve. Their heat-management problems aren't THAT severe.

[Richard230]

One time I was able to travel 147 miles on a single charge, only stopping once for a lunch break.    Even at freeway speeds during 90 degree temperatures, I have yet to see a motor temperature of more than 185 degrees F.  But then I will admit that I am an easy rider.   

[domingo3]

Between the lack of customer service and the lack of functionality in our climate, I cannot recommend one to anyone. Not unless you strictly intend to commute with it, and your commute doesn't involve highways nor exceeds 25 miles round trip (making it effectively useless as a commuter here).

  I can agree with you on the lack of customer service, but I think your recommendations are extreme and unfounded. I can do a 25 mile round trip commute on my FXS with no range or performance anxiety in 100 degree weather.  In my use case, I am much more worried about being able to maintain highway speeds at lower SOC in cold weather, but that is much less if an issue with the bigger battery models like the SR. 
  I'm guessing that your thermal management issues had to do with fast charging after highway runs. That's something I've never had a need to do, but may well be a limitation of the bike.

[Jarrett]

When I test rode the FX at a local dealer, I had it overheat on me in about 5 minutes of riding it on the highway.

Granted, I was flogged the hell out of it in sport mode.  I was running it up to 85 mph quite a bit as I just wanted to see what it was capable of in terms of passing cars and such.  As went well at first. 

I was exiting an exit ramp and went to give it throttle and got nothing back.  Looked down and the temperature light was flashing.  Kept giving it throttle, but got nothing for a bit.  By the time I coasted to the stop light, the temperature light stopped flashing and went solid.  Then I got back a little throttle, enough to make the U-turn to the other side service road.  By the time I got on the opposite service road, power was back 100%.

I called Zero and asked them about it and they said it shouldn't have done that in such a short period of time.  Not sure if that is accurate or not with the FX.

[Doug S]

Jarrett, do you know if that bike has the IPM motor? If not, it may have been the motor overheating. My bike (2014 SR w/o IPM motor) will start flashing at me if I make multiple high-throttle runs on a hot day...though I don't push it until it shuts down completely. The IPM motor SHOULD fix all that.

The other thing that might overheat would be the battery. On my SR, I doubt that's the problem, based on what information I've been able to gather. But it might be on the FX -- smaller battery, higher current density per cell, higher concentration of the heat that's generated.

[kcfoxie]

Between the lack of customer service and the lack of functionality in our climate, I cannot recommend one to anyone. Not unless you strictly intend to commute with it, and your commute doesn't involve highways nor exceeds 25 miles round trip (making it effectively useless as a commuter here).

I'm guessing that your thermal management issues had to do with fast charging after highway runs. That's something I've never had a need to do, but may well be a limitation of the bike.

Yes, and I'll go one further. The bike was always near payload capacity when ridden. If you're 150lb or less, you'll still run into overheating/no charging situations (Ben Rich has posted photos of icing his down to charge). I charged with the ChatgeTank only, and 2.5 hours is hardly a fast charge, as we have seen by DigiNow on the Zero. I was using it fully within factory specs and it couldn't live up to light touring needs (300-400mi/day trips).

On a related note. The race engineering behind the Energica is one of the reasons I bought one. It's perfosmce oriented, but I'm not that spirited of a rider. It's an ok touring bike, the expansion of electrify America will determine that. Right now it looks like I can get down to Savannah GA with only 2 L2 stops. One DC in the right corridor and it could be straight up fast charging stops.