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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #540 on: March 06, 2019, 09:08:21 PM »

...on a 50a 14-50 circuit (like a dryer).  Common for electricians to install that dryer plug at your house/garage.  The car EV world learned to always tell your electrician that you want a 50A dryer plug instead of a EV plug....same plug, two different installed prices for some reason.

Not to be a nazi, but just so people don't get confused or under-informed...the 14-50 outlet is rarely used for electric dryer outlets in residential situations. Much more common are the 10-30 and 14-30, both of which are good for only 30 amps, about 6.6kW nominal from 220VAC. The 14-50 is much more common as an RV outlet, and is capable of 50 amps or 11 kW. If you want the electrician to install a 14-50, make sure you specify it by name or at least be very sure he's aware you want the 50-amp version.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #541 on: March 07, 2019, 02:19:02 AM »

...on a 50a 14-50 circuit (like a dryer).  Common for electricians to install that dryer plug at your house/garage.  The car EV world learned to always tell your electrician that you want a 50A dryer plug instead of a EV plug....same plug, two different installed prices for some reason.

Not to be a nazi, but just so people don't get confused or under-informed...the 14-50 outlet is rarely used for electric dryer outlets in residential situations. Much more common are the 10-30 and 14-30, both of which are good for only 30 amps, about 6.6kW nominal from 220VAC. The 14-50 is much more common as an RV outlet, and is capable of 50 amps or 11 kW. If you want the electrician to install a 14-50, make sure you specify it by name or at least be very sure he's aware you want the 50-amp version.

Yes, that's my experience and understanding as well. I charge on a 10-30 outlet at home at 3kW just because of the 15A-rated cord running to my J plug. The breaker is rated 30A but I wouldn't draw more than 25A regularly even with a more robust cable.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #542 on: March 07, 2019, 03:11:55 AM »

...on a 50a 14-50 circuit (like a dryer).  Common for electricians to install that dryer plug at your house/garage.  The car EV world learned to always tell your electrician that you want a 50A dryer plug instead of a EV plug....same plug, two different installed prices for some reason.

Not to be a nazi, but just so people don't get confused or under-informed...the 14-50 outlet is rarely used for electric dryer outlets in residential situations. Much more common are the 10-30 and 14-30, both of which are good for only 30 amps, about 6.6kW nominal from 220VAC. The 14-50 is much more common as an RV outlet, and is capable of 50 amps or 11 kW. If you want the electrician to install a 14-50, make sure you specify it by name or at least be very sure he's aware you want the 50-amp version.

Yes, that's my experience and understanding as well. I charge on a 10-30 outlet at home at 3kW just because of the 15A-rated cord running to my J plug. The breaker is rated 30A but I wouldn't draw more than 25A regularly even with a more robust cable.

Limiting to 80% of rated amps for continuous loads is the norm.  Beware that for chargers trying to draw constant power, amps will go up when volts go down, so in brownout situations, you can find a lot more amps being drawn than you'd anticipated.  I've seen as low as 190V to as high as 245V.  Stilll, 0.8*30*190=4560 so you should be good to draw 4500w from a 30A outlet.  I am not, however, an electrician, so consult your professional.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #543 on: March 08, 2019, 12:42:33 AM »

My local dealer has a SR/F prototype at their place right now.  No demo rides, but can look at it.

The owner said he rode it and liked it a lot more than the S model.s  And that it reminded him of a Triumph Street Triple which he considered to be high praise.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #544 on: March 08, 2019, 02:37:50 AM »

Which dealer? Where are you located?
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« Reply #545 on: March 08, 2019, 04:52:20 AM »

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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #546 on: March 10, 2019, 06:26:49 AM »

Does it have one-finger braking?
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« Reply #547 on: March 10, 2019, 08:38:23 AM »

I got to ride the SR/F today and wow.  That thing pulls like nothing I've ridden before.  It felt similar to my FX and the DS I've ridden, but just much, much more powerful.

I have a Honda VFR1200X with 127 hp and 93 ft. lbs of torque and the SR/F made it feel sluggish by comparison.

The front wheel on the SR/F would lift if you hit the throttle at highway speeds.  This one had no traction control either and the rear wheel stepped out on me once in a left turn and I thought I was going down for a second, but got it back under control.  I think I spun the rear wheel a couple of times on the highway as well.  I didn't realize the traction control was off or I would have taken it easy.

The bike felt good to ride though.  The sport riding position was a little tight, but not uncomfortable.  The ergonomics and seat were much more comfortable than I was expecting it to be.

I got on my FX immediately after and it felt like someone had turned the torque down to zero.
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« Reply #548 on: March 10, 2019, 08:40:01 AM »

Oh and the weight... I have bikes ranging from 500-630 lbs. in the garage and the SR/F did not feel like them.

It feels like a considerably lighter bike than 500 lbs.  The weight is distributed very nicely.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #549 on: March 10, 2019, 11:31:47 AM »

Awesome!! Did you get some photos or video??
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #550 on: March 10, 2019, 05:16:07 PM »

This was the only picture I thought to take of it.

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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #551 on: March 10, 2019, 09:06:00 PM »

Thanks for sharing - sounds like I’ll be using this bike in Eco mode for a while!
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #552 on: March 11, 2019, 01:15:38 AM »

I have access to a wall outlet in the garage at work.
Does the SR/F charge from this directly or do I need an adapter to go to the J1772?
You may charge it from the wall with a supplied adaptor
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #553 on: March 11, 2019, 01:25:10 AM »

It would be unwise to underestimate the appeal of the "commuter-only" machine, even if commuting is truly the only purpose for the vehicle. For most drivers, commuting is far and away how they spend the majority of their miles.

But these bikes are far more versatile than that, anyhow. I've done club rides from where I live in El Cajon to Borrego Springs, about 150 miles round trip. Granted, I generally meet my club partway up the ride after a fresh recharge, and convince them to stop in Borrego for another recharge, then break off early for a final recharge, but so what? I still get to do >50% of the ride with them, and the rest by myself, and it's a great day of riding.

I've also ridden up to visit my family in Orange County, 180 miles or so round trip, which also works out great. I also did a one-day 263-mile trip, just so I could join the "250 miles in one day" club. It was a long day but a good day.

For me, I don't WANT longer trips very often, if ever. It just means more time spent in the saddle with a sore butt and stiff legs. They're supposed to be pleasure rides, not bummer rides.
I couldn’t agree with this more.  I am looking for a e-motorcycle for the everyday short trips and short pleasurable rides.  I still have my ICE tourer  with big comforatable seat and forward foot boards for the long trips.  The SR/F fits perfectly in this plan.  But that is just me,  I know everyone’s needs are different.

Perfect. I keep my Vulcan for the really long trips, but it just gathers dust. When I finally hop on it, it feels like a locomotive, slow, dirty, and noisy.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #554 on: March 11, 2019, 03:54:40 AM »

For me, it sounds like the SR/F would have too much power.  I don't even use full throttle on my 452 pound "S".  I could see myself getting in trouble on a much more powerful electric motorcycle than the "S" if I made use of its performance very often since I ride in heavy traffic or on speed-restricted streets most of the time.  So I think I will pass on the SR/F and just read about how its owners are enjoying their new ride - as well as seeing how it stacks up against the LiveWire and the Strike.  ???
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