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[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

I am surprised that a reverse mode or a parking lock was not included (or mentioned) in the feature set, honestly.

My 2016 DSR reverse mode modification is still very helpful performing hill-side maneuvers; I live on a very steep hill with poor pavement.

[Doug S]

Anybody have any hi-res shots of the SR/F, suitable for wallpaper? I've been looking at one of the new Norton Commandos, which is certainly a gorgeous bike with a fantastic retro feel, but now that there's some real eye-candy in our family, I want to put my bike's stablemate on my desktop.

[wavelet]

There's something special about a 20k+ bike you have to use a jerry-rigged velco solution on to park safely.

Zero will sell you this $10 solution then.

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=205

I truly don't get these jury-rigged solutions.
Every auto-trans motorcycle I've ever seen, MotoGuzzi or Honda or whatever, right back to the 1970s, had a simple mechanical parking brake, like a simplified version of a car's,that locked onto one of the brake discs or drums. It couldn't cost Zero, Energica or whomever >$7 in parts to do this.
Incidentally, the MotoGuzzi solution was very elegant -- deploying the sidestand would automatically deploy the parking brake.

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

There's something special about a 20k+ bike you have to use a jerry-rigged velco solution on to park safely.

Zero will sell you this $10 solution then.

https://www.zeromotorcycles.com/shop/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=15_4&products_id=205

I truly don't get these jury-rigged solutions.
Every auto-trans motorcycle I've ever seen, MotoGuzzi or Honda or whatever, right back to the 1970s, had a simple mechanical parking brake, like a simplified version of a car's,that locked onto one of the brake discs or drums. It couldn't cost Zero, Energica or whomever >$7 in parts to do this.
Incidentally, the MotoGuzzi solution was very elegant -- deploying the sidestand would automatically deploy the parking brake.

BMW's C-Evolution also features the sidestand/parking brake linkage.

The parts cost is not $7 for the JJuan brakes that Zero adapted. Zero can't make volume supplier purchases, and uses JJuan because of that, which means accessories like the parking brake definitely don't get a volume discount.

Zero ran into trouble when it turned out that the rear parking brake install required significant mechanical care around the rear calipers. Thus it required dealer installation, and thus regrettably the price went up.

[gstrub]

Charging question:

So if you get the premium (6kw), do you get less storage? I assume the power tank (12kw) takes up room but do we know if the 3 vs 6 is any different?
How big/long do we think the EVSE adapter is for plugging into a 110V house outlet? Will it take up the whole storage tank?
Is the charging time the same if you use the house outlet/EVSE adapter as if you pulled into a level 2 charge station?

I am primarily going to be charging at work where there is a 110V outlet in the garage, so I will want to carry the adapter. Also am trying to figure if it's worth installing anything in my home garage or just go with the house outlet/adapter.

And last question...does anyone know if the heated grips can be ordered al a carte, of if you have to get the premium.

Thanks!
G

[vinceherman]

My understanding is that the second 3kW charger is internal, so no loss of storage.
The house outlet adapter is a chunk of wire.  I expect it to take up most of the storage.  My local dealer in Cleveland did have an adapter in stock so I got to look at it.
I will leave it up to people who have done the math to give the exact details on charge times.

My short term plan is to take the adapter back and forth to work until I get mad enough to install a station at home, then just leave it at work.

Unknown about addons for the grips.  I started off wanting the base model, thinking that my commute would not require the higher charge rate, and that basically meant I would be paying $2000 for heated grips.  But I heard that premiums are higher on the factory build queue than the standards.  That was enough to push me over the edge and get the premium.

[gstrub]

" But I heard that premiums are higher on the factory build queue than the standards.  That was enough to push me over the edge and get the premium."

Sorry, can you clarify that last point?

I am feeling the same way about the $2000 heated grip thing. I'm looking for another reason to get the premium if I am going to mostly be charging with a house outlet and adapter. I am wondering if the 3kW and 6kW are different charging times if you use the 110V house outlet with adapter. If they are the same, I may avoid the premium and get nicer gloves:)

[DonTom]

I truly don't get these jury-rigged solutions.
Every auto-trans motorcycle I've ever seen, MotoGuzzi or Honda or whatever, right back to the 1970s, had a simple mechanical parking brake, like a simplified version of a car's,that locked onto one of the brake discs or drums. It couldn't cost Zero, Energica or whomever >$7 in parts to do this.
Incidentally, the MotoGuzzi solution was very elegant -- deploying the sidestand would automatically deploy the parking brake.

What parking brake? I have never seen such on a ICE motorcycle ever.  They rely on the transmission to hold the bike when in gear.  Electric bikes normally do not have a transmission so there is nothing to hold the rear wheel.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

[wavelet]

I truly don't get these jury-rigged solutions.
Every auto-trans motorcycle I've ever seen, MotoGuzzi or Honda or whatever, right back to the 1970s, had a simple mechanical parking brake, like a simplified version of a car's,that locked onto one of the brake discs or drums. It couldn't cost Zero, Energica or whomever >$7 in parts to do this.
Incidentally, the MotoGuzzi solution was very elegant -- deploying the sidestand would automatically deploy the parking brake.

What parking brake? I have never seen such on a ICE motorcycle ever.  They rely on the transmission to hold the bike when in gear.  Electric bikes normally do not have a transmission so there is nothing to hold the rear wheel.

-Don-  Auburn, CA

Note the "auto-trans" at the beginning of my post refers to  motorcycles with automatic transmissions (using torque converters). While rare, they do exist; e.g., the MotoGuzzi V1000 Convert.
More modern examples are the modern Honda DCT transmissions on various models and the Aprilia Mana.

These bikes' transmissions do not hold the bike stationary when the engine is off, and they all have parking brakes to avoid the bike rolling when parked on an incline; it's not always possible to park against a curb.
Electric motorcycles without transmissions should have the same.

[DonTom]

Note the "auto-trans" at the beginning of my post refers to  motorcycles with automatic transmissions (using torque converters). While rare, they do exist; e.g., the MotoGuzzi V1000 Convert.
More modern examples are the modern Honda DCT transmissions on various models and the Aprilia Mana.

These bikes' transmissions do not hold the bike stationary when the engine is off, and they all have parking brakes to avoid the bike rolling when parked on an incline; it's not always possible to park against a curb.
Electric motorcycles without transmissions should have the same.

Oh, sorry that I missed your most important words. I am unfamiliar with auto trannys on motorcycles. You make a good point, electric should have the same, but that will price them a little higher. And I think that is the reason  as electric bikes are already expensive compared to ICE.  Perhaps there is a law about auto trannys having a parking brake and since EVs usually have no tranny . . . 

OTOH, I use a grip lock as necessary, which has worked well for me, as needed. It's not often I need to use it at all.


-Don-  Auburn, CA

[vinceherman]

" But I heard that premiums are higher on the factory build queue than the standards.  That was enough to push me over the edge and get the premium."

Sorry, can you clarify that last point?

My local shop that carries Zero is Cleveland Moto.  The owner (and maybe another CM staff person?) were at the reveal/test rides.  Snow on the ground test rides so he likes the grips. 
But he also talked to guys who were involved with the assembly.  The production floor is currently dedicated to Premium units.
First to ship will be demo units (people won't buy what they cant see)
Then pre-order premiums.
The pre-order standards.

My pre-game decision to save money, fore-go the heated grips and better charge rate, went *right* out the window.

And besides, I get the awesome aluminum bar ends!

I am wondering if the 3kW and 6kW are different charging times if you use the 110V house outlet with adapter. If they are the same, I may avoid the premium and get nicer gloves:)

I suspect that a single 3kW charger has more capacity than you can get out of a wall outlet.  And that charging from the wall outlet will be the same rate with any charger configuration.  But I am still going to leave the math to people who actually know.

Let me add to the question:
What charge rate will you get from a wall outlet? (can be miles per hour or hours to 95%) (actually, both numbers would help)
What charge rate will you get if you install a 220v charge station and have a standard 3kW charger?
What charge rate will you get if you install a 220v charge station and have a premium 6kW charger?
What charge rate will you get if you install a 220v charge station and have a standard 3kW charger plus 6kW charge tank?
What charge rate will you get if you install a 220v charge station and have a premium 6kW charger plus 6kW charge tank?

[GrantMeStrength]

And besides, I get the awesome aluminum bar ends!

I hope the mirror placement is better. I added Arrow bar-end mirrors to my SR, and if I get fancy aluminium bar-ends I won't want to do that again..

[af1 racing]

Wouldnt be too hard to have an almost 10kw home Level 2 charger....the one below pulls 40A @240 = 9.6Kw, on a 50a 14-50 circuit (like a dryer).  Common for electricians to install that dryer plug at your house/garage.  The car EV world learned to always tell your electrician that you want a 50A dryer plug instead of a EV plug....same plug, two different installed prices for some reason.  We have that same Juicebox 40 at the shop, good unit.  You'd need the fully optioned Premium SR/F to take full advantage of it.

https://www.amazon.com/JuiceBox-Electric-Vehicle-Charging-Station/dp/B00UB9R4KO/ref=sr_1_100_sspa?keywords=level+2+charging+station&qid=1551825722&s=gateway&sr=8-100-spons&psc=1   spec says 10Kw

Using the included Zero Turbocord for 120v charging, you'll get a max of 1.4Kw of charging.   Going 120V more than doubles the charge time of using that cord on a 240v charging at 3.8Kw.

[Apriliarsv]

Glad to see af1 racing posting here.

[grmarks]

What charge rate will you get if you install a 220v charge station and have a premium 6kW charger plus 6kW charge tank?

One report said you need 2 J1772 plugs to get the 12 kw/h charge rate (one plug for onboard 6 kw/h and one plug for power tank 6 kw/h), this seems reasonable as most J1772 are about 6 kw/h.