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[centra12]

BMW I3??

BMW c evolution

No one said they had to make the ventilation vertical like Energica !! Rather horizonal like BMW.  Needed for that down (2cm/0,065 feed) have you or?
And what costs and weighs such an aluminum construction?

https://motomobil.at/test-technik/ebikes-pedelecs/426-bmw-c-evolution-fahrbericht



The air duct at BMW is so massive because it is a supporting part of the chassis

[Evilthor]

Let me add some more to the teaser than I have inferred from company chat.
The bike will have complete LED lights, cornering ABS and torque control, multiple custom settings, forced air flow cooling, and believe it or not, a few options on color.
Onboard fast charging will be standard. It looks like the price point will be closer to 25k.
Comparison with the Harley will be ridiculous

[heroto]

Why would comparison with the Harley be ridiculous?

[ESokoloff]

Let me add some more to the teaser than I have inferred from company chat.
The bike will have complete LED lights, .............

I hope your right.
What I see in the image provided by domingo3 are the turn signals are the presently used incandescent type.

http://electricmotorcycleforum.com/boards/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=8551.0;attach=10000

[Richard230]

Why would comparison with the Harley be ridiculous?

It would seem to me that the Zero SF is probably a direct attempt by Zero to counteract the LiveWire introduction. Zero could likely provide the same sort of features (and likely more so) for less money and perhaps also beat the LiveWire to the market. No doubt Zero could do a lot with another $5-10K increase in price on a new model.  But I hope they hired an Italian to do their styling this time.  If the bike doesn't look really nice, it won't sell very well at the $20K+ market, no matter what the features.  And I think the LiveWire looks pretty nice for a "naked"-style motorcycle.

[centra12]

Which  technical data Harley justify a price of $ 29,000?!

[domingo3]

Which  technical data Harley justify a price of $ 29,000?!

Cross-posting from the HD Livewire forum here. I couldn't have said it better myself.

I think it is safe to say at this point that the specs of the LiveWire are not very impressive based on the price and that Harley will have a tough time selling them. But no one buys a H-D ICE bike based on specs and price either so in this case why should price and specs be a concern for anyone interested in the LiveWire?

Back on topic, I hope that SR/F will absorb the R&D costs and the tech will trickle down to the other models.  Even little things like being able to program more than one riding mode would be welcomed.

[Evilthor]

The Harley Livewire specs are not very impressive. Zero will crush their specs and probably their price with the SR/F.
It is actually genius on Zero's part. Harley does all the hype about electric bikes, and anyone who shops, buy the Zero

[domingo3]

The Harley Livewire specs are not very impressive. Zero will crush their specs and probably their price with the SR/F.
It is actually genius on Zero's part. Harley does all the hype about electric bikes, and anyone who shops, buy the Zero

  I believe one could make the same statements about Harley vs "metric cruisers", but Harley does sell a lot of bikes.  The heritage and lifestyle that sells their cruisers will likely not cross over.  Frankly, I don't know who the target audience is for the LiveWire.  It's got to be people with a lot of money (plenty of those), don't care about performance or value (still a fair amount), and want an electric motorcycle (not so many of them).
 
  I think even the SR/F will have a pretty limited market.  The SR is already an excellent bike.  I'm sure a lot of people would love to ride one and there's a good handful that would buy one, but probably is made more for the purpose of showcasing Zero's capability to make a premium bike rather than direct profitability.

[idle]

July 2018, dealer tells me of a "entirely new platform" coming after I showed interest in the FXS - I'm glad Zero pulled through and he didn't lie!

The only thing my dealer said was that it was either coming in 2019 or 2020, that 'fast charging' would come stock (so maybe the F does stand for fast charging?) but IDK - and he was pretty vague on everything else.

[MostlyBonkers]

We've been told for years that the difficulty to wheelie and the lack of initial snap in "throttle" response has been caused by Zero's programming which was done to prevent unintentional wheel spin or looping.  Hopefully, with integrated traction control, Zero will allow a more direct power response or maybe, if we're lucky, user controllable power response, beyond just the custom map which doesn't really allow much tuning.

With a wider rear tyre and all the torque on tap from a standing start, I think the F would just mean more fun!  Enough torque and grip to pick the front wheel up would certainly make things interesting.  Torque and wheelie control to save the spills would mean the average rider could get off the line that much quicker and really put the sports bikes to shame.  It'll certainly be interesting to see what Zero come up with!

[Haag13]

I can't understand why anybody would think more power would be undesirable when it's so easily programmable with separate "maps" on an electric bike.  Like it or not, power and torque figures sell a lot of bikes, which is why Zero has been touting the SR's torque for years.  The problem is, while the single gear ratio has made the bike extremely easy to ride and easy to accelerate, it has come at the cost of performance, which doesn't live up to the advertised torque values.  I'd personally love a "dank wheelie machine," even if I only rarely put the bike in that mode and rode 90% of the time in a standard, wheelie and traction controlled, sport mode.

[vincent]

Seems like the majority wants the F to be for fast & furious which would be fun. I'll vote for frugal, give us a economical commuter

[vinceherman]

F as in the F*ing cruise control that they have refused to add.

[Doug S]

I can't understand why anybody would think more power would be undesirable...

There's really only one valid reason (other than plain old fear and/or naysaying), and that's cost. As the racers say, speed costs, how fast to you want to go?