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[Moto7575]

Max speed is much higher - 120 mph / 200 kmh max.
0-60 should be around 2.8 seconds with a 60 kg driver : https://www.cognitoforms.com/Non81/_060TimesCalculator
and 3 seconds with a 80 kg rider.
(Edited thanks to promotech for finding a mistake in the parameters)

(Params : 190 Nm torque / 280 kg total weight / 31.5 cm wheel radius / 4.5 gear ratio)

[protomech]

The SR/F microsite is a little unintuitive. You can navigate down to subsections below each details page - I missed this at first.

New control systems are a very good plus. Traction control, cornering and straight-line ABS.

Cell connectivity built-in and LED headlights are fitting the Zero and its pricepoint.

I'm not sure how I feel about the charging options. High-power AC charging is a bit of a crapshoot, as Diginow riders know well. I assume the 12 kW option will have two J1772 inputs - presumably serious tourers will carry Y adapters to charge from a single high-power J1772 or Tesla HPWC supply.

Zero also has dropped the standard IEC connector for 120V charging. 120V charging now requires a portable EVSE, included with purchase.

No CCS compatibility is unfortunate. 900 amp controller means that Zero continues with the 116 V battery system. High-power AC charging may still end up being the best option in the real world until we have bikes that can do 150+ miles on the highway.

I wonder if we'll see the Zero S and SR lines merge at some point, perhaps at a $15k price point. The $16495 Zero SR just seems too close to the $18995 standard SR/F, especially considering the standard SR/F has a 3 kW charger built-in. There is still room for a smaller, lighter bike with less power - just not with the price points this close.

The timing for the announcement is curious - they're calling it a 2020 model, but if they were going to ship next year surely they would have held off on announcing the bike to avoid the Osborne effect. I hope they can ship the SR/F by this riding season in the US - seems likely, since they indicate the Power Tank option will be coming later this fall. Not clear if the Power Tank precludes the second 6 kW rapid charger.

I was just looking at the specs here. Is the only big advantage the availability of the one hour charging?

-Don-  Reno, NV

- 3 & 6 kW standard, 9 & 12 kW option
- LED headlight
- always-on cell connectivity and GPS
- significantly more powerful (60% power, 20% torque, 20% higher top speeds)
- dual front brakes
- better battery cooling
- improved control system, cornering ABS, traction control

[ElectricRiders.net]

Bike looks great.  The one thing I do not see is a release date though somehwhere on site it si listed as a 2020 SR/F.  So I am guessing not soon.

Email says "SR/F ships to dealers this spring".
Power tank options comes this fall.

[Moto7575]

Agree - personnaly i'm not interested in a bike like this unless range is 250 km (then you can ride 3hours, charge at lunch, and ride further). I hope the 2020 FXS will have the new engine and even more torque - supermoto is really what I need in the city.

The SR/F microsite is a little unintuitive. You can navigate down to subsections below each details page - I missed this at first.

New control systems are a very good plus. Traction control, cornering and straight-line ABS.

Cell connectivity built-in and LED headlights are fitting the Zero and its pricepoint.

I'm not sure how I feel about the charging options. High-power AC charging is a bit of a crapshoot, as Diginow riders know well. I assume the 12 kW option will have two J1772 inputs - presumably serious tourers will carry Y adapters to charge from a single high-power J1772 or Tesla HPWC supply.

Zero also has dropped the standard IEC connector for 120V charging. 120V charging now requires a portable EVSE, included with purchase.

No CCS compatibility is unfortunate. 900 amp controller means that Zero continues with the 116 V battery system. High-power AC charging may still end up being the best option in the real world until we have bikes that can do 150+ miles on the highway.

I wonder if we'll see the Zero S and SR lines merge at some point, perhaps at a $15k price point. The $16495 Zero SR just seems too close to the $18995 standard SR/F, especially considering the standard SR/F has a 3 kW charger built-in. There is still room for a smaller, lighter bike with less power - just not with the price points this close.

The timing for the announcement is curious - they're calling it a 2020 model, but if they were going to ship next year surely they would have held off on announcing the bike to avoid the Osborne effect. I hope they can ship the SR/F by this riding season in the US - seems likely, since they indicate the Power Tank option will be coming later this fall. Not clear if the Power Tank precludes the second 6 kW rapid charger.

I was just looking at the specs here. Is the only big advantage the availability of the one hour charging?

-Don-  Reno, NV

- 3 & 6 kW standard, 9 & 12 kW option
- LED headlight
- always-on cell connectivity and GPS
- significantly more powerful (60% power, 20% torque, 20% higher top speeds)
- dual front brakes
- better battery cooling
- improved control system, cornering ABS, traction control

[protomech]

Max speed is much higher - 120 mph / 200 kmh max.
0-60 should be around 3.8 seconds with a 60 kg driver : https://www.cognitoforms.com/Non81/_060TimesCalculator

(Params : 190 Nm torque / 280 kg total weight / 43.18 wheel radius / 4.5 gear ratio)

Tire is about 31.5 cm radius.

The calculator puts a 60 kg rider at 2.82s 0-60, vs ~3s 0-60 for the SR. Seems about right, the SR/F torque will be offset by additional bike mass.

Where the SR/F will shine is highway acceleration (taper starting well after 70 mph) and riding two-up. The Standard SR/F is rated at a maximum 515 pounds carrying capacity, vs only 361 pounds for the SR.

With both bikes at 164 kg of riders and gear (SR weight limit), the difference is 3.85s SR/F vs 4.21s SR.


Edit: both the SR and SR/F are torque-limited up to their peak power point. For the SR this occurs at ~3200 rpm or 53 mph. For the SR/F this occurs at ~4100 rpm or about 68 mph.

At 70 mph, if you crack the throttle open on both bikes, the SR/F is going to accelerate at least 60% harder, considering drag.

At 90 mph, the SR/F has probably twice as much power available.

[Fran K]

The ground clearance seems missing from the full specs.  I hope the bottom is strong enough for a bump or skid.  It is almost hitting that dry lake bed terrain in the moving background on the Zero site.  I wonder if they chose the frame per second rate on purpose to make the wheels look like going backward slowly.

I also followed the link for the 2020 Warranty and there is no such thing as a Demonstrator with zero miles, there is a thread relating to this lately.

So how many HP to push it 110mph sustained.  140 HP will get you 124 mph max.

I also note local shipping and PDI will be extra.  Does local mean from some local distribution hub?  Does this mean other fees like conveyance are not to be expected?  PDI is pre delivery inspection often dealer prep from my internet search.

Street bikes do not have center stands lately do they?

[Richard230]

Here is a review of the SR/F by Motorcycle.com:
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/zero/exclusive-2019-zero-sr-f-review-first-ride.html

[ultrarnr]

With the SR/F premium price at $20,995.00 and the Energica Eva 107 at $21,665.00 I don't see the SR/F being able to compete with the Eva 107. After all these years Zero still doesn't get DCFC. The Eva 107 has more power and 20-30 minute charging. Great styling though.

[DPsSRnSD]

I was just looking at the specs here. Is the only big advantage the availability of the one hour charging?

-Don-  Reno, NV

They claim the stability control is "best in class".

[David S]

With the SR/F premium price at $20,995.00 and the Energica Eva 107 at $21,665.00 I don't see the SR/F being able to compete with the Eva 107. After all these years Zero still doesn't get DCFC. The Eva 107 has more power and 20-30 minute charging. Great styling though.

I disagree, The SRF is much mroe compelling to me than an EVA. Everything else equal, i would take a 6kw L2 charge over DC fast charging. DC will only become more relevant when range increases and the network of DC chargers grows more.

[Moto7575]

What is a stability control ? Does it exist elsewhere ?

[ultrarnr]

David S,

I don't understand how slower charging is more appealing. I have a Zero SR with dual Elcons and can charge at 6.3kW. Also have a Eva 107. Have done multi day trips on both. 1 1/2 hour charging with the Zero compared to 30-40 minutes with the Eva. Even short trips for me to my Zero/Energica dealer. Using CCS charging cuts down on how much time the trip takes with the Eva compared to making the same trip with the Zero. 300+ miles a day with the Eva isn't a big deal. Have done that with my SR but it takes many hours more all because of slower charging. Vinny

[protomech]

Here is a review of the SR/F by Motorcycle.com:
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/zero/exclusive-2019-zero-sr-f-review-first-ride.html

That's a really informative article. Lots of great little details.

- dual USB ports in the trunk
- cruise control on the right grip
- 12V lithium ion battery to power the always-on bike computer and connectivity instead of just DC/DC previously
- as with the S line, you can add either a charge tank or the power tank

With the SR/F premium price at $20,995.00 and the Energica Eva 107 at $21,665.00 I don't see the SR/F being able to compete with the Eva 107. After all these years Zero still doesn't get DCFC. The Eva 107 has more power and 20-30 minute charging. Great styling though.

Maybe. It's good to have both options.

The Zero has more range, dramatically so with the Power Tank. For shorter rides - say 100 to 150 miles highway, 150 to 200 mile back roads - the Zero's high-power L2 and range advantage may make for a faster trip than hunting CCS chargers.

CCS is growing pretty quickly however, and the charging landscape may look rather different in 2-3 years. High power L2 instead of CCS is a stopgap solution.

[David S]

David S,

I don't understand how slower charging is more appealing. I have a Zero SR with dual Elcons and can charge at 6.3kW. Also have a Eva 107. Have done multi day trips on both. 1 1/2 hour charging with the Zero compared to 30-40 minutes with the Eva. Even short trips for me to my Zero/Energica dealer. Using CCS charging cuts down on how much time the trip takes with the Eva compared to making the same trip with the Zero. 300+ miles a day with the Eva isn't a big deal. Have done that with my SR but it takes many hours more all because of slower charging. Vinny

To me, Its a matter of practicality and everyday use. There are much more L2 chargers available, and almost all of them free. DC chargers are much less common and you have to pay for them. Also, in my uses, I am not traveling 300+ miles in a day, so don't have a need for extremely fast charging, making the more common, and free L2 chargers more convenient. This is why i said when range goes up, and more DC fast chargers are available, it would be more important then, as you would gain the ability to tour. Obviously if you are already doing a lot of long distance traveling, then i can see you preferring DC charging.

[giacomo]

Do they use Diginow chargers ... ? They are on top of the battery ...

Giacomo