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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #345 on: February 23, 2019, 02:32:34 AM »

If you don't want to use the fob, then leave it at home in your sock drawer.

We're straying off topic here, but I think some of us are talking about different things.  If I can leave the fob at home and only use the key, that's just fine with me.  On my wife's minivan, there is no traditional key at all.  I once had to run to a drug store to buy a new battery because the remote died when we were away from home.  I can take a metal key 100 feet below the surface of the water or run over it with a truck and it will still work.  The fob is just another thing that can break.  One of the things that I like about motorcycles is their simplicity compared to cars.
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« Reply #346 on: February 23, 2019, 02:54:41 AM »

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« Reply #347 on: February 23, 2019, 03:22:07 AM »

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« Reply #348 on: February 23, 2019, 04:26:37 AM »

39 mins ago : https://twitter.com/ZeroMC/status/1099039766614605824
So I'm a little confused with this teaser.  I really don't know electric engines but is there any significance with the round part that has the tube on it the camera pans to.  Seems like it is trying to show us something.
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« Reply #349 on: February 23, 2019, 04:40:05 AM »

Close up of the new ZF-10 motor showing that the cooling fins are now properly oriented in the direction of the motorcycle's travel for improved airflow.  Probably because the new motor MIGHT run hotter...
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« Reply #350 on: February 23, 2019, 04:59:47 AM »

39 mins ago : https://twitter.com/ZeroMC/status/1099039766614605824

That wasn't much of a teaser, considering that February 25 is so near.  ???
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« Reply #351 on: February 23, 2019, 05:11:14 AM »

39 mins ago : https://twitter.com/ZeroMC/status/1099039766614605824

That wasn't much of a teaser, considering that February 25 is so near.  ???
Tomorrow they may give us a close up of the foot peg. :o
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« Reply #352 on: February 23, 2019, 08:10:06 AM »

4 more days.. the wait is killing me  :-X :-X :-X

3 days and there is no news of any kind, no excitement, no unveiling events announced, no press releases since October, nothing posted on dealer websites, no excitement on Google or Facebonk. I was anxious to go out and watch it happen on Monday. Will dealers have anything to show? Very disappointed already. Are they about to miss the schedule, or merely preannounce to some press people? Fizzle. :(
So I am one of us who is chewing at the bit for any information also.  I never wish a weekend goes fast but I may do it this time.  I read somewhere that the dealers will be meeting today. i am guessing they will get the first reveal.  Not sure how tight lipped they are but I would hope some info leaks.  I will guess no press will do anything until Monday being we are so close to all the facts.  There are a lot of things I am hoping this bike is.  I know it won't meet all my hopes but if it meets most, this may be my first electric motorcycle.  Saying that, here is some things I hope the bike isn't. 

Over $22K.  And that is total (not starting at or base model).  I can see it being around $20 being they would have to make it more expensive then the 2019 SR or why even have the SR.  If it is over $22K, then it is a non starter in my book.  It is getting too expensive and then I will have to chose if I will get a 2019 model or skip the electric bike all together until the prices become comparable with the ICE bikes.

Announced Monday released at the the end of the riding season.  I mean come on Harley, how can you announce a bike and take pre-orders in January to ships in August.  I never heard something so stupid (well maybe $39K for your first electric bike comes close).  If Zero announces it, they should have models ready to ship.  They should get demos into the dealerships before the spring.  If I waited this long to find out they are just gearing up for production, I may jump ship.

Lastly and it is not a decision killer but a strong consideration, they change the on-board charging system.  If reading on here is any indication of the poor quality of the on-board charger, I can't believe they didn't change brands already.  I read something like a possible 40% failure rate.  I mean this bike is battery, engine and charger.  If they really screw up one of these, it doesn't bode well for the company.

I hope Monday is worth the wait.
Gary, I think your expectations are completely unrealistic. You are thinking of Zero like you would of one of the established volume ICE motorcycle makers.
They're not, they're a tiny manufacturer one step up from a startup. There's no way they can fund advance production of a large number of bikes before being able to gauge the actual order volumes, and possibly not even then. They'll probably have made a few dozen bikes now for press demos, maybe some more for a rolling demo tour, and for any actual deliveries you'll likely have to wait until November-December at least.

Don't know what the starting prices will be like, but if there are significant improvements (and it's already clear there are: New frame, motor and high-end details), you can bet that it'll start quite a few  $K above the current SR at  the low end, and the upgrades (larger battery, charge tank etc.) are not going to be cheaper than they are for current models.

As for jumping ship, there's basically no competition to Zero at their current price bracket at all. The LiveWire's price is stratospheric, and they'll be competing with the Energica Eva bike-wise, but not otherwise -- Energica has a tiny presence at this point. Even so, the Eva is now $22K after a radical price reduction, and with a sub-12kWh battery.

Also just FYI:
Outside the USA, the common situation is that you can't buy any new vehicle, car or bike, on the spot. The vehicle importer maintains showrooms & demo fleets, but they have zero inventory. No such thing as a dealership as you're familiar with it in the US. You always buy a new vehicle from the importer, and the process is signing a contract at  the showroom with actual delivery of the physical vehicle you haven't seen yet weeks or months later. Folks in Europe are used to this, so Zero won't be at a disadvantage working this way.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #353 on: February 23, 2019, 08:31:29 AM »

No news? A teaser has been leaked that shows some fins on the motor, Fins! I'm getting all tingly!

Or they could make a moto that would be practical for more than short commutes,  20 minutes on a track or even less in the dirt. Maybe offer a fairing option that would increase range and comfort. And offer an upright rider position. You know, things that many moto riders demand and ICE motos have offered for decades.

Just kidding, it's about the fins and the tingle.
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« Reply #354 on: February 23, 2019, 08:47:06 AM »

Wavelet, I do hope you are wrong on some of your points below but you may be right.  As for waiting periods, Americans must not be as patient as you guys overseas.  Most motorcycles and cars are brought "instantly" off the lot.  Not many order bikes or cars these days.  If they do, it is a matter of weeks for delivery not months (Tesla is the exception).   I know it is different with electric bikes but Zero is not a custom bike manufacturer either.  If they are going to be delivering in November or December as you say, they should have just released it as a 2020 model. 

As for price, yes I fear you may be right.  A electric bike over the $22-$25K range will be a very limited release.  The general demographic that bike manufacturers are targeting today are young city commuters.  These riders  do not want to spend that much money.  And the old time bikers who have that type of money to spend are generally not looking at Zero. So yes if Zero decides to go to the premium priced bike they will have a very limited release a lot like Harley Davidson is realizing. 

And when I say jumping ship, I mean deciding to either get a 2019 model or realize that electric bikes still need a few more years of advancement until they can compare financially to ICE bikes.
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« Reply #355 on: February 23, 2019, 08:55:39 AM »

39 mins ago : https://twitter.com/ZeroMC/status/1099039766614605824
So I'm a little confused with this teaser.  I really don't know electric engines but is there any significance with the round part that has the tube on it the camera pans to.  Seems like it is trying to show us something.
Rear brake master cylinder reservoir?
« Last Edit: February 23, 2019, 08:57:25 AM by ESokoloff »
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« Reply #356 on: February 23, 2019, 09:42:25 AM »

39 mins ago : https://twitter.com/ZeroMC/status/1099039766614605824
So I'm a little confused with this teaser.  I really don't know electric engines but is there any significance with the round part that has the tube on it the camera pans to.  Seems like it is trying to show us something.
Rear brake master cylinder reservoir?

That's what I thought....  Very hard to tell....
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #357 on: February 23, 2019, 10:53:54 AM »

Guys it's just a rear brake reservoir 100%
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« Reply #358 on: February 23, 2019, 02:57:13 PM »

I can take a metal key 100 feet below the surface of the water or run over it with a truck and it will still work.  The fob is just another thing that can break.  One of the things that I like about motorcycles is their simplicity compared to cars.

While I understand this mentality I think modern keys are slightly more complicated. Most of them are chipped now. On my Honda Pilot, the programming between the chip and the car got messed up somehow about a decade after purchase, couldn't drive the car until we paid to have the keys reprogrammed.

I keep a spare battery for my fob accessible in my volt. Though it does have a key ignition to start the car if the fob fails. I think having both is the best solution, convenience with a backup.
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« Reply #359 on: February 23, 2019, 05:46:11 PM »

Guys it's just a rear brake reservoir 100%

It's the Oscillation Overthruster.
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