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[Alan Stewart]

Now Electrek says:

That “7” references the width of the magnets in the motor’s rotor, 7 cm (2.75 in). Thus, the new Z-FORCE 75-10 motor is likely to have a significantly wider motor with 10 cm (3.9 in) magnets.

Who to believe? Is it the width or the radius?

https://electrek.co/2019/02/13/zero-lightning-electric-motorcycle-strike-sr-f/

[af1 racing]

refers to motor width, all the same diameter

[Doug S]

Okay, we've all speculated about the equipment, that seems to have run its course. Now let's go where the rubber meets the road. I'm predicting starting price will be around $23,000.

Who thinks I'm high, low, and by how much?

[BamBam]

Well according to the same Electrek article, it better be a lot lower if Zero expects to complete with the new Strike from Lighting .

[Richard230]

Okay, we've all speculated about the equipment, that seems to have run its course. Now let's go where the rubber meets the road. I'm predicting starting price will be around $23,000.

Who thinks I'm high, low, and by how much?

I think you are in the ball park, although my guess would be closer to $20K. 

[ultratoad]

Okay, we've all speculated about the equipment, that seems to have run its course. Now let's go where the rubber meets the road. I'm predicting starting price will be around $23,000.

Who thinks I'm high, low, and by how much?

I think you are in the ball park, although my guess would be closer to $20K. 

AND I'm hoping you are a little high....  BECAUSE I just might be needing one of these !!!!

[GaryArt1]

I am truly hoping for their own good they come in around $20K and with the features we want.  Otherwise they may lose to Lightning.  Lightning is coming out with some interesting specs on the the Strike.  Today they are saying a liquid cooled motor.

On another topic, I like the way Lightning is teasing their bike more than Zero.  They are coming out with real specs rather than blacked out photos.   We just have no idea what specs come with the lower priced model.

Well I am in the market for a bike in the next few months and both the Strike and the SR/F has my attention.  I guess it will be which company brings a better product to the table though I am very uncomfortable with Lightning’s lack of dealer network.

[GaryArt1]

So a question for you guys.  As I said in last post Lightning announced the Strike's motor will be liquid cooled.  It never mentioned any other part that will be cooled this way.  Now I've seen complaints about Zero's overheating. It seemed like more of a battery issue than motor.   Ideally what needs "extra" cooling on these bikes; motor, battery or charger?  I've rode Harley's that felt like I was sitting on a oven and I am glad my current ICE is liquid cooled.  I don't want to get into another oven situation.

[Fran K]

I test rode a Buell v twin and is sure put out some heat.

The ktm has anti freeze solution and two tiny radiators.  The controller and the motor are cooled with this liquid.  I suppose I would feel better if it was oil instead of anti freeze solution.  I can get the batteries hot on my leaf blower and chain saw but not the KTM the way I use it.

[Doug S]

Personally, I'm not holding my breath that the Lightning Strike is going to be earth-shattering when it arrives. Too many sins can be hidden in that phrase "prices starting at". Does the base model have a 7kWhr battery? A less powerful motor/controller? No fast charging? What's it REALLY going to cost when configured with all the goodies they're saying will be available? And don't get me wrong, the LS-218 seems like an awesome price-is-no-object exercise, but I wonder if it's reasonable to expect a high-quality, economical design from a company that makes Zero look like a grizzled old veteran.

As far as I'm concerned, Zero remains the best bang-for-the-buck solution until proven otherwise. And until such time, I think Zero still experiences a fair amount of pressure to reduce prices, but no more than before. If they're going to offer a significant upgrade to a $17k motorcycle, it's going to be priced like an upgraded model.

[GaryArt1]

Doug, I agree with you that the SR/F is not going to be the cheap Zero everyone has been hoping for.  Competition or not one thing I know will keep the pricing up is that they already released the 2019 SR.  There had been some that purchased the SR in the last few months.  It would be an insult to their customers if they came out with an updated bike that was the same price.  So if you added on the charge tank it puts the SR at about $18k +/-.  That is why I think they could price it at about $20k. That way they don't drive away sales but don't get complaints from people with a 2019 SR.   Now they can also price it at $25k saying that the livewire is still $5k more but I think that would be a mistake.  They could then have a similar situation the livewire is going to have in that it is a limited release bike.  To be honest, at $23-25k I would probably just get the 2019 SR or DSR.

[domingo3]

I'm going to guess $23,790. I think it will be a significant upgrade and worth it for some people but not a volume seller.

[GaryArt1]

I'm going to guess $23,790. I think it will be a significant upgrade and worth it for some people but not a volume seller.

"not a volume seller"  This has been Zero's problem all along.  Whether you believe the stories they sell 750 or 2000 bikes a year, they have not had any volume sellers.  Yes they are big for electric bikes but that wouldn't even rate them  as a small ICE motorcycle company.   If they don't get a volume seller soon, Zero will go the way of Alta Motors.  I hope the SR/F is as one dealer described as  "game changer".  They can really use that.

[NEW2elec]

So a question for you guys.  As I said in last post Lightning announced the Strike's motor will be liquid cooled.  It never mentioned any other part that will be cooled this way.  Now I've seen complaints about Zero's overheating. It seemed like more of a battery issue than motor.   Ideally what needs "extra" cooling on these bikes; motor, battery or charger?  I've rode Harley's that felt like I was sitting on a oven and I am glad my current ICE is liquid cooled.  I don't want to get into another oven situation.

The Lightning LS218 was on Jay Leno's garage and he talked about it having an oil cooled motor ( it was a very nice case that held the motor and was part of the frame support).  He said it had "liquid" cooled electronics and an air cooled (with fins) battery.

I don't think these bikes ever feel hot or put out heat the MBB just limits what it will do when it gets to high "battery" temps.

He also said the bike would go about 20 miles if at top speed the whole way so that shows what kind of power heat that thing could put out.

On Lightnings web page they talk about the only bike you will be able to get at first is the "Carbon" model with a $10,000 deposit.  They say it will be fully optioned so we'll see what it costs and what you get in March.  "IF" the Carbon model is 30k-40k and they don't sell many they "may " never offer the cheap one with the $500 deposit.

I don't know if I'm being negative or realistic, we'll see.

[JaimeC]

Zero will face some tough competition with the Strike.  Right now, their only real advantage is that they already have a dealer network.

https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/lightning-strike-electric-motorcycle-motor-teased/