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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #150 on: January 31, 2019, 09:54:08 PM »

I hope your right Richard, I'm leaning more to the 24k side depending what all is there.  Bigger battery and DC charging with a little R&D cost thrown in seem like about the right price.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #151 on: January 31, 2019, 11:04:16 PM »

At first I was a little worried that Zero may say we have our fully loaded SR at 18K and the Livewire is $30K, lets price the SR/F at $25K.  I mean they can use the rational you said, better specs at $5K less than the Livewire.   What I think may keep it in check is the tease by Lightiing for a bike starting at $13K.  I think everyone knows that is the starting price and the specs that Lightning is teasing will be a lot higher but Zero shows its hand first.  If they try to max the pricing at $25K, people are going to wait and see what Lightning has to offer.  If Lightning comes in with a SR/F spec bike at $5K less, Zero may have another limited release on their hands.  Hey I think a lot of people like myself was waiting for the Livewire and was disappointed and now are waiting for the SR/F.   I am hoping that I won't be disappointed and will be waiting on Lightning.   I am a little concerned about Zero's limited dealer network.  I am VERY concerned about Lightning's lack of network.  Either way it seems like an exciting time for electric bikes.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #152 on: February 01, 2019, 04:46:49 AM »

I figure that $25K may be a bit much for Zero's market. That puts them in Energica territory and doubt that the SR/F is going to look nearly as nice, based upon the teaser picture.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #153 on: February 01, 2019, 06:28:14 AM »

At first I was a little worried that Zero may say we have our fully loaded SR at 18K and the Livewire is $30K, lets price the SR/F at $25K.  I mean they can use the rational you said, better specs at $5K less than the Livewire.   What I think may keep it in check is the tease by Lightiing for a bike starting at $13K.  I think everyone knows that is the starting price and the specs that Lightning is teasing will be a lot higher but Zero shows its hand first.  If they try to max the pricing at $25K, people are going to wait and see what Lightning has to offer.  If Lightning comes in with a SR/F spec bike at $5K less, Zero may have another limited release on their hands.  Hey I think a lot of people like myself was waiting for the Livewire and was disappointed and now are waiting for the SR/F.   I am hoping that I won't be disappointed and will be waiting on Lightning.   I am a little concerned about Zero's limited dealer network.  I am VERY concerned about Lightning's lack of network.  Either way it seems like an exciting time for electric bikes.


What are you hoping that the bike will be?  The current SR is already an excellent bike.  Is there something you wish it had, or you just don't want to buy it only to have something new come out soon after?
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #154 on: February 01, 2019, 06:43:38 AM »

What are you hoping that the bike will be?  The current SR is already an excellent bike.  Is there something you wish it had, or you just don't want to buy it only to have something new come out soon after?
I'd wait to see if I wanted to pay more for the /F.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #155 on: February 01, 2019, 09:19:40 AM »



What are you hoping that the bike will be?  The current SR is already an excellent bike.  Is there something you wish it had, or you just don't want to buy it only to have something new come out soon after?


Well more power and more range is always a plus.  Maybe a little higher end electronic cluster is nice.   Maybe an standard level 2 and/or DC charging capability is useful.  The two things I am hoping most for is traction control and a better seat.  TBH I am a little older than the typical electric motorcycle demographic  and I found the current seat not acceptable,  But then again even on my ICE bike, I needed to put a expensive aftermarket seat.  So far I am at least hopeful by the picture that the seat may be improved. Hey who knows.  If the improvements are not my thing and the price is higher, i may just get the SR with the charge tank.  I really liked it.  I just figured being i am so close to release of the SR/F, it is a no brainer to wait and see what is offers. 
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« Reply #156 on: February 01, 2019, 11:07:28 AM »

Well luckily the Zero is released in Feb and the Lightning in March and I doubt you'll be able to get your hands on one before May at the very earliest.
Lightning is playing Tesla's game with the Model 3.  Saying they will offer a 35k Model 3 but all you can really get is the 50k one.
Lightning says the carbon edition with it's 10k deposit will be all you can order in the beginning.  How long that is I don't know.  I doubt that a 12k Lightning ever sees the road.
I could be wrong but from the website details it sure sounds that way.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #157 on: February 01, 2019, 05:00:15 PM »



What are you hoping that the bike will be?  The current SR is already an excellent bike.  Is there something you wish it had, or you just don't want to buy it only to have something new come out soon after?


Well more power and more range is always a plus.  Maybe a little higher end electronic cluster is nice.   Maybe an standard level 2 and/or DC charging capability is useful.  The two things I am hoping most for is traction control and a better seat.  TBH I am a little older than the typical electric motorcycle demographic  and I found the current seat not acceptable,  But then again even on my ICE bike, I needed to put a expensive aftermarket seat.  So far I am at least hopeful by the picture that the seat may be improved. Hey who knows.  If the improvements are not my thing and the price is higher, i may just get the SR with the charge tank.  I really liked it.  I just figured being i am so close to release of the SR/F, it is a no brainer to wait and see what is offers.

You're in luck with the traction control. Even if it doesn't come with a new seat, you can get a custom one for not that much compared to the price premium for the SR/F, I'm sure.   All that remains are details like exactly how much more power, what else you'll get, and the cost for the whole package.
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« Reply #158 on: February 01, 2019, 10:12:57 PM »

It seems to me from reading the various forums for a while now there are essentially 2 types of people who are anxiously awaiting new models to be released from the manufacturers.  The first one being a rider who uses the bike for a short daily commute. They rather sacrifice some of the specs and get the companies to release lower priced models. I can see this and I think if Zeros get more popular where they can start mass producing them, you will see more models between $5K-$10K.  Then there is those that want a bike that has higher specifications and more of the modern technology that is becoming standard on ICE bikes.  They are willing to pay more as long as it doesn’t get crazy (aka Livewire).  From the teasers it seems the SR/F may fall into the later class.  At least that is what I am personally hoping for.

Then I think you have a small subclass that want more range, more power, more technology but with a lower price.  I think this is an unreasonable expectation until battery prices drop drastically or battery technology changes.  Electric bikes will also need to become more mainstream so manufacturers can start mass producing in larger scale and see cost reductions that come with it.

Either way I think that electric bikes are the future and will only get better and cheaper.  I believe we are still at the early adopter phase and that comes with a price and some sacrifices.

Now to get through the long weekend waiting for more SR/F details to be released on Tuesday.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #159 on: February 02, 2019, 12:41:31 AM »

Good points GaryArt1. 
There is also a which comes first the chicken or the egg issue with the maintenance side.  Will they start teaching electric repair to new guys or will they wait till there is a few hundred thousand on the road before hand.  Of course more people would buy them more if they could get them fixed close by.
This is really a big issue in the second hand market for now I think people are worried a used bike can't get worked on if they're not near a dealer.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #160 on: February 02, 2019, 04:12:31 AM »

The second SR/F article by Jensen Beeler @ Rubber & Asphalt is rather negative on Zero in general:
https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/zero-sr-f-electric-sport-bike-leak/
While claiming some secret source, it appears to me as highly speculative and factually incorrect.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #161 on: February 02, 2019, 05:13:49 AM »

I did not think it was negative at all.  Just hope they are not in to deep with credit.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #162 on: February 02, 2019, 01:15:43 PM »

Good points GaryArt1. 
There is also a which comes first the chicken or the egg issue with the maintenance side.  Will they start teaching electric repair to new guys or will they wait till there is a few hundred thousand on the road before hand.  Of course more people would buy them more if they could get them fixed close by.
This is really a big issue in the second hand market for now I think people are worried a used bike can't get worked on if they're not near a dealer.

I think multibrand dealers are the answer.
In the Netherlands Motoport is big and they have learned their maintenance crew to work on Zero's.
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Re: Zero SR/F
« Reply #163 on: February 02, 2019, 08:35:12 PM »

Good points GaryArt1. 
There is also a which comes first the chicken or the egg issue with the maintenance side.  Will they start teaching electric repair to new guys or will they wait till there is a few hundred thousand on the road before hand.  Of course more people would buy them more if they could get them fixed close by.
This is really a big issue in the second hand market for now I think people are worried a used bike can't get worked on if they're not near a dealer.

I think multibrand dealers are the answer.
In the Netherlands Motoport is big and they have learned their maintenance crew to work on Zero's.

In my 56 years of buying motorcycles, my experience is that large multi-brand dealers in the U.S. have never fared well or stayed in business very long.  I think this is partly because of the conflicting requirements of each brand's franchise agreements, partly because they financially overextend themselves, partly because their staff typically doesn't get paid very much and tend to come and go, partly because the motorcycle selling business goes up and down with the local economy, partly because these dealerships tend to try to play the game of Monopoly and buy several other shops in the area in order to control the market (thereby financially overextending themselves), partly because - well you get the idea.  ;) These big shops rarely last for very long.   :(

And the few that have tried to pair with an existing car dealership, such as BMW, have really short lives.  In the U.S. motorcycle and car salesmen and their customers just don't get along.  ???
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« Reply #164 on: February 02, 2019, 10:52:52 PM »

So I agree that multi-brand dealers are not ideal.  If given the option, I prefer to purchase from a dealer who does just one brand.  Who knows the bike better, who would have a better selection, who would have more factory support and who would be best trained to service the bike.  I think without doubt it is the one brand dealer.  Saying that, I think there are two reasons that multi-brand dealers are a necessary evil.
1.  I like many of you research the hell out of a bike before making a purchase.  We are here on the forums.  We read the reviews (actually these days more watch them on you tube). We visit multiple dealers and test ride many bikes.  When we are ready to purchase, we did our work and know what we want.  It seems some of the new riders (not all) want to shop like they do in a department store.  They want to go in see all the selections and types of bikes, test ride a few and make a purchase.  No one has time for all the research these days and there is little brand loyalty.
2. In the case of a brand such as Zero. A one brand Zero dealership would not make it anywhere in the US other than possible California.  One of the Zero dealers near me who has been selling Zeros for a few years now told me they sold a little less than 50 of them.  This is not enough to keep the lights on in NY.   They have to have more than Zero bikes to sell at least until electric bikes become the norm and Zero becomes a major player.
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