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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #15 on: October 26, 2018, 08:44:39 PM »
Richard, regarding your BMW, I think what you are experiencing is due to BMW's trick paralever and telelever suspension, and is completely unrelated to BMW's semiactive suspension, which they call dynamic ESA. 
I've logged tens of thousands of miles on BMWs with and without dynamic ESA. All transmit small bumps that conventional suspension absorbs. It's really striking at first - you feel every seam in the pavement, and many riders just hate it. So what's the benefit? The upside is no brake dive and some other advantages. 
How does the BMW semi-active compare with their standard suspension? Definitely better with. Neither is plush, but the semi-active is simply amazing in keeping the bike even and under control on very rough roads, especially at speed. 
Try a Duc.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #16 on: October 26, 2018, 11:22:26 PM »
Quote from: heroto on October 26, 2018, 08:44:39 PM
Richard, regarding your BMW, I think what you are experiencing is due to BMW's trick paralever and telelever suspension, and is completely unrelated to BMW's semiactive suspension, which they call dynamic ESA. 
I've logged tens of thousands of miles on BMWs with and without dynamic ESA. All transmit small bumps that conventional suspension absorbs. It's really striking at first - you feel every seam in the pavement, and many riders just hate it. So what's the benefit? The upside is no brake dive and some other advantages. 
How does the BMW semi-active compare with their standard suspension? Definitely better with. Neither is plush, but the semi-active is simply amazing in keeping the bike even and under control on very rough roads, especially at speed. 
Try a Duc.

My bike has a conventional "upside-down" fork (made by Sachs), not a Telelever system.  The Telelever that I had on my ESA-equipped 2007 R1200R worked better than the system on the 2016 RS. Plus, it had three damping positions, instead of two. However the conventional fork system of the RS does handle more precisely than the Telelever, in my opinion. It just doesn't give as comfortable a ride.  ???  This is a common complaint of RS owners on the forum.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #17 on: October 27, 2018, 08:10:36 AM »
K. Sorry I was wrong about your experience.
Still this rider found BMW's semiactive suspension to be by far well worth the price and would pay for it on a Zero, if offered.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #18 on: October 29, 2018, 03:35:16 AM »
I am thinking about getting a Zero.  The MPGe is what appeals to me.  I want to stop dumping as much carbon as I do now. I would use it for commuting and some highway trips to see my gf about 30-40 miles away.  The idea of a used one appeals to me, but some of the complaints give me pause.  Why do you want to be rid of your 2016 SR, ultrar?

Quote from: ultrarnr on October 26, 2018, 07:20:08 AM
If you have any interest in a 2016 Zero SR send me a PM. Want to get rid of it and just haven't gotten around to posting it.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #19 on: October 29, 2018, 03:49:16 AM »
Great surprise, maybe not read the related threads. Is it right that 2016+ models have this IPM motor thad needs periodic maintenance, otherwise it may run crazy? Isn't this a kind of programmed obsolescence? Since older models can run forever without any motor trimming...
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #20 on: October 29, 2018, 05:14:06 AM »
Quote from: hubert on October 29, 2018, 03:49:16 AM
Great surprise, maybe not read the related threads. Is it right that 2016+ models have this IPM motor thad needs periodic maintenance, otherwise it may run crazy? Isn't this a kind of programmed obsolescence? Since older models can run forever without any motor trimming...

This is preventative maintenance like valve clearance checks.

Normally there’s nothing to correct, but ensuring controller field alignment is critical to power delivery and avoiding a mechanical wear on the motor.

It’s a very fast piece of maintenance but unfortunately still requires a dealer visit for now.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2018, 05:15:21 AM »
Please read zeromanual.com’s buyers guide in addition to forums. Forums tend to amplify complaints and troubles rather than amplifying understanding and knowledge.


https://zeromanual.com/wiki/Potential_Buyers_Guide
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #22 on: October 29, 2018, 12:42:38 PM »

This is a good time for demos because dealers are unloading them for new models. 
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #23 on: October 30, 2018, 09:57:04 PM »
Agree with what a couple have said, forums will have a much higher concentration of problems because that's why people go to forums.  I'll be a voice of satisfaction and no issues with my 2018 S.  New, I know, but I do think there are many many more people happy with their Zeros than those having issues.  Most Zero owners are not even on this, or any, forum, so meaningful statistics are hard to get.  If you want a Zero get one, they are awesome.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #24 on: November 22, 2018, 04:19:42 AM »
They last a long time and the thrill never gets old
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #25 on: November 22, 2018, 05:49:32 AM »
I'm another satisfied custom. I think Zero makes the best commuter bikes you can buy.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #26 on: December 03, 2018, 02:24:53 AM »
Thank you all for posting. 

All I can say at this moment is that I'm leaning towards the purchase of a Zero, only because it's the one type of bike I've never owned.  Of the 52 bikes I've owned (I currently have eight) I've had scooters, sport bikes, standards, street fighters, cruisers, dual sports, sport tourers. Well, I've also never owned a large bagger or a pure dirt bike -- never had the desire for either of those types.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #27 on: December 03, 2018, 03:23:35 AM »
Quote from: BamBam on November 22, 2018, 05:49:32 AM
I'm another satisfied custom. I think Zero makes the best commuter bikes you can buy.

Either that or my BMW C Evolution Scooter, which really does have no routine maintenance that can't be performed by the owner.  Pretty trouble-free as well from a repair standpoint.
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #28 on: December 03, 2018, 03:32:57 AM »
Quote from: cpallenjr on December 03, 2018, 03:23:35 AM
Either that or my BMW C Evolution Scooter, which really does have no routine maintenance that can't be performed by the owner.  Pretty trouble-free as well from a repair standpoint.
The large scooters (>650 cc) are very heavy.  In the 600+ lbs range.  I know they don't "feel" that heavy due to the low CG, but still . . .   600 lbs?
 
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Re: I see almost no used Zeros on the market
« Reply #29 on: December 04, 2018, 03:50:11 AM »
I think your best bet is buying a used demo from a shop outside of California.  That is what I did and a large discount. Zero demos a lot of bikes since they are relatively new and electric, so dealers are always turning over year old bikes. 
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