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[Richard230]

And then the product liability lawyers, insurance companies and government regulators step in and tell you that all of the great ideas that you have for your new vehicle are too risky and can't be implemented if you want to stay in business.   

[EkrebDK]

Make it possible to update software via app or USB, please. Both to eliminate bugs and do new features[emoji6]
My Zero FX 2015 has to go to dealer to update! Arghhh!


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[ESokoloff]

We're looking for feature requests, EV wishlists......

On the fly selectable Regen mode mimicking ICE downshifting.

P.S., I'm in SoCal & use my 16 DSR as my yearound daily commuter.
If you need a beta tester let me know

[francesco]

It'd be great for everybody to have another player entering the market soon. I really hope you will succeed!

Here is another data point for your survey:
Millennial using a 2015 Zero S ZF9.4 as a daily commuter. ~15k miles in 3 years.
What's important:
- Convenience. The least possible amount of regular maintenance and being able to do it myself (i.e. tire pressure, brake fluid. No things like "motor commissioning and timing"). I love the idea of using OTS components as much as possible. For everything else, please consider shipping parts directly to customers!
- Quiet! I love being able to leave early in the morning without waking up the whole neighborhood.
- Range at highway speed of ~100 miles (i.e. fairing).
- Being able to plug in at both regular 110 V outlets and L2 charging stations.
- Torque/power/handling: a slight upgrade from the Zero S would be nice. Top speed doesn't matter beyond 80-85 MPH.
- Reasonable passenger seat (the Zero S' one is not too bad, actually).

NOT a priority (especially if driving cost up):
- fast charging.
- traction control.
- reverse.
- any other fancy upgrade that sounds awesome, but doesn't really add anything to daily use.

I'm excited for a potentially broader choice for a new bike in 2019!!

[evcognito]

Over-app software upgrades sound like a good idea...We'll file that one away.
Reverse is very easy to implement... only downside is it would add a button and some safety logic...

Sounds like super customizable regen settings are in high demand too. Would a "regen" lever where the clutch normally lives in addition to standard regen modes interest anyone? We've gotten mixed feedback on this... Maybe have a mode where its controlled by the rear brake?

[togo]

> On the fly selectable Regen mode mimicking ICE downshifting.

Mimic internal combustion?  Why would you want to do that?  But infinitely variable regen, integrated in, that I could get behind.  I wish Evtricity's Regen Lever had become available as a general product we could all use, or that Zero would offer that, or integrate regen braking smoothly into friction braking. 

[BrianTRice@gmail.com]

Variable regen and reverse would be awesome if the bike weighs anything significant. Reverse on my DSR is essential with its fairings on; I live on a pretty steep and gravelly hill. I don't care whether a lever of pedal are employed, but it does help to have regen controllable separately from pad contact.

[Richard230]

I would like regen to be accomplished by rolling the throttle grip forward past the "off" setting, unless of course Vectrix still owns the patent for that idea.

[ESokoloff]

> On the fly selectable Regen mode mimicking ICE downshifting.

Mimic internal combustion?  Why would you want to do that? 
......

ICE requires a transmission & thus downshifting is possible.

That the part I’m after.
Instead of downshifting a transmission, selectable/progressive regen that nets the same result (reduction of speed without the usage of mechanical brakes) would be awesome.

[EkrebDK]

The Zero “brake regen” by touching the brake (via brake light switch) actually works splendid imho. And it’s customable by app.


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[Richard230]

The Zero “brake regen” by touching the brake (via brake light switch) actually works splendid imho. And it’s customable by app.


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My problem with that feature is that I have been riding ICE motorcycles for 56 years now and also currently own 5 of them, in addition to my Zero.  If there was a brake/regen lever on the left handlebar, I would probably accidentally use it like a clutch lever, but without a lever on the bar, I never try to do so.  I would prefer to have the regen integrated into the throttle where it can operate as both an accelerator and a decelerator using just one device. That would seem to be more natural to me.

[EkrebDK]

The Zero “brake regen” by touching the brake (via brake light switch) actually works splendid imho. And it’s customable by app.


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My problem with that feature is that I have been riding ICE motorcycles for 56 years now and also currently own 5 of them, in addition to my Zero.  If there was a brake/regen lever on the left handlebar, I would probably accidentally use it like a clutch lever, but without a lever on the bar, I never try to do so.  I would prefer to have the regen integrated into the throttle where it can operate as both an accelerator and a decelerator using just one device. That would seem to be more natural to me.

Agree. No ekstra lever. But feather touch of existing brake levers works great imo. And feels natural too.
PS. I ride ICE bikes too.


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[ultrarnr]

On stronger regen: Energica has far stronger regen than Zero has and is connected to the brake lights and the ABS system. It has four settings, off, low medium and high. I keep mine set on high. It is very easy to modulate and you find yourself rarely using the brakes. If you are coming off the interstate on an exit ramp and rapidly close the throttle it is amazing how fast you slow down. I much prefer this over Zero's system and from reading other posts here I think many others would to.

Size: Zero's are small bikes, Energica is a full sized motorcycle. Really prefer the larger size of the Energica.

Charging: Have put many miles on a Zero SR and have about 5K on my Energica. Would not buy another electric motorcycle without DCFC. Yes it adds to the cost. But look at what many Zero owners are spending on faster charging systems. And I don't miss spending two hours charging my SR at all. At least have it as an option, used to be that way with Energica.

[Richard230]

Thinking about this thread, it occurs to me that a poll of features that ICE motorcycle owners would like in an electric motorcycle might be of more help to someone designing a new EV, instead of just asking current owners and enthusiasts. What any manufacturer of a new technology wants to do is to grow the market. Asking ICE motorcycle enthusiasts and people thinking about riding would seem to me to be more interesting than asking people like us.  Polling selected Japanese motorcycle forums of models in the target price range might be useful.  You could ask about desirable features, styling, range, top speed and other general features that non-EV owners might find attractive and which would encourage them to invest in an electric motorcycle.

[togo]

Thinking about this thread, it occurs to me that a poll of features that ICE motorcycle owners would like in an electric motorcycle might be of more help to someone designing a new EV, instead of just asking current owners and enthusiasts. What any manufacturer of a new technology wants to do is to grow the market. Asking ICE motorcycle enthusiasts and people thinking about riding would seem to me to be more interesting than asking people like us.  Polling selected Japanese motorcycle forums of models in the target price range might be useful.  You could ask about desirable features, styling, range, top speed and other general features that non-EV owners might find attractive and which would encourage them to invest in an electric motorcycle.

You might get effects like Energica's six-speed transmission.

Not good.