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Author Topic: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate  (Read 8737 times)

RickSteeb

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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #30 on: June 23, 2018, 07:51:11 AM »

After the first FW update on my 2014 SR, the kW hrs used was zero'd out, and it still does not log any power usage.  Any ideas how that happened?
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2018, 05:13:37 AM »

I realize that this post outs me as a total newb ignoramus:
How does checking these various readouts change how your ride and care for your Zero? (Not asking about the bugs and fails, I get that.)
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2018, 05:31:08 AM »

I realize that this post outs me as a total newb ignoramus:
How does checking these various readouts change how your ride and care for your Zero? (Not asking about the bugs and fails, I get that.)
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The Zero app allow you to adjust certain parameters affecting performace, e.g. regen, max torque, top speed, etc.

Knowing that you can go twice as far at 50MPH as you can at 70MPH has the biggest effect on how I ride when going beyond the range of a single charge!
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2018, 08:49:49 AM »

Sure, and I tinker with the custom settings all the time. But there many posts concering issues with battery care and feeding and other issues that are not on the first page of the custom settings. I'm (ignorantly) wondering just how much that stuff matters. It may be a lot, or not so much, I don't know.
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2018, 06:51:10 PM »

What I miss most with this year's recent BMS and MBB firmware updates is the disappearance of the current battery pack kWh capacity information. I thought that was interesting and gave you a way to track the overall condition of the battery pack over time.  Which is why that information was probably eliminated by Zero.   ::)
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2018, 06:00:33 AM »

I have a SR '15, had the new firmware updated in the middle of May (MBB rev 53), now I have the model set to NoN on the logs as well as directly from the MBB.
After the "upgrade" I get the following:

1- Odometer doesn't update
2- The App doesn't recognize my model SR, it says "unknown model"
3- Top speed is now 95
4- The speed is off by ~5mph
5- Range estimation is way down compare to previous firmware
6- Regen is much stronger than before

I will check with the dealer on Saturday, but he told me that the model is set automatically during the update....

Hopefully there is a new firmware fixing it ....

Giacomo
Hello,

problem fixed, same Rev 53 but they had to manually change the model to the correct one....

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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2018, 09:28:19 AM »



What I miss most with this year's recent BMS and MBB firmware updates is the disappearance of the current battery pack kWh capacity information. I thought that was interesting and gave you a way to track the overall condition of the battery pack over time.  Which is why that information was probably eliminated by Zero.   ::)

I agree!  I miss it too, for better or worse I personally expect there to be some degredation and would rather Zero be "adult" about it and show us this info.  I always found it reassuring since 100% Soc wavers a bit... 114.8v to the 116.4v.  wihich could mean the difference of no small amount of miles.  It certainly seems like Zero is trying to hide or "leave out" important info.

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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2018, 12:14:57 PM »

problem fixed, same Rev 53 but they had to manually change the model to the correct one....

Worked for me as well. I think they gave us a wrong firmware last time. Because the regen off throttle was at 10 and regen on breaking on was 15. Max for SR should be 10. After setting the model to SR, it was on 6 and 10 again, and i was not able to set it higher with our user  :(
So i'm back to really weak regen, what sucks. But at least me ODO jumped back and speed is back to normal (odo reading in logfiles before/after were 8.7% apart). Range should feel better now too
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2018, 08:59:34 PM »

I think they might onto how to fix most of these problems now...as has been stated, the model has to be manually set.  My odometer quit after last update although I didn’t notice as I tend to view the trip meter.  This was the clue for my dealer who had just fixed a couple of others.  Brought the bike in, they did their thing and the Odo was corrected.

Immediately upon returning to the highway I saw similar usage rates to what I had before this fiasco started over a year ago.  I have not had time to ride my test routes yet but things really looked better.

I had theorized a model problem all along since my SR was performing as a S with the small battery and my app did not ID the model.  Haven’t verified the app yet.  Will get back to you all with more info later.


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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #39 on: June 26, 2018, 07:45:43 PM »

Perhaps it's finally safe to upgrade.  Still running my stock firmware on my '16 DSR.  Thanks to all for paving the way on a bumpy road!

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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2018, 08:04:20 PM »

Perhaps it's finally safe to upgrade.  Still running my stock firmware on my '16 DSR.  Thanks to all for paving the way on a bumpy road!

Steve
I think “if you like the way your bike operates, leave it alone” still applies.  Mine appears improved but I’m not certain I’m back to pre-update performance yet.


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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #41 on: June 30, 2018, 03:22:29 AM »

Perhaps it's finally safe to upgrade.  Still running my stock firmware on my '16 DSR.  Thanks to all for paving the way on a bumpy road!

Steve
I think “if you like the way your bike operates, leave it alone” still applies.  Mine appears improved but I’m not certain I’m back to pre-update performance yet.


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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #42 on: June 30, 2018, 05:52:32 AM »

is that a snide remark about apple users?
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #43 on: July 04, 2018, 01:33:29 AM »

I thought this might be a good place to report an oddity with the SOC gauge on my 2017 DSR.  I commute to work every day on my DSR which normally uses from 6% - 7% charge each way.  I noticed the other day that when I got to work after charging up to 100% at home, the gauge read 92% which was about normal.  However, when I left work that day the gauge read 98%.  I thought okay that's cool, I'm not going to complain about gaining 6% extra charge for free.  But on the way home I noticed that once I hit something like 94% charge, the gauge dropped to 87% in a very short period of time.  After that point, the gauge seemed to function properly without any sudden fluctuations.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue and if this is one of the glitches with the later versions of firmware.  I have not updated the firmware since taking delivery of the bike in March of this year.
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Re: Firmware versions and issues. #firmwaregate
« Reply #44 on: July 04, 2018, 03:54:33 AM »

I thought this might be a good place to report an oddity with the SOC gauge on my 2017 DSR.  I commute to work every day on my DSR which normally uses from 6% - 7% charge each way.  I noticed the other day that when I got to work after charging up to 100% at home, the gauge read 92% which was about normal.  However, when I left work that day the gauge read 98%.  I thought okay that's cool, I'm not going to complain about gaining 6% extra charge for free.  But on the way home I noticed that once I hit something like 94% charge, the gauge dropped to 87% in a very short period of time.  After that point, the gauge seemed to function properly without any sudden fluctuations.

I'm just wondering if anyone else has experienced this issue and if this is one of the glitches with the later versions of firmware.  I have not updated the firmware since taking delivery of the bike in March of this year.

My 2018 S has the latest firmware installed and it hasn't exhibited that issue yet.  The battery gauge is very stable.
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