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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #195 on: September 24, 2018, 10:18:39 PM »

I agree that with a proper install, the heat transmitted to the battery is minimal and probably reduced compared to onboard/stock charging.

My pan transmits and radiates heat well enough that the frame tubes only warm up a bit and the battery case hasn’t been warm at all from what I can tell.

I do run with fans, which are thankfully muffled now. I make the airflow run a kind of diagonal pattern, using gaps between the chargers to direct flow left in the forward gap and right in the aft gap. And I push air to the rear along the side channels, since the fans should be oriented the same way any air might windmill them while riding.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #196 on: September 29, 2018, 12:24:35 AM »

Just to update everyone. If you remember, my Diginows quit charging. I dropped the pan today and tested them out individually. Neither one would charge my SR. It would click on and the green plug light would flash for a minute then stop but the display would still be on. I went ahead and installed the factory charger back on just to charge up my bike. Bad news. It has the same behavior. It clicks on and the green plug would flash for a minute then stop. According to the app, the bike is not getting any current from any of the chargers. I double checked all the connections to make sure none were loose. I'm at a loss at what to do now. Any ideas? Prior to all this happening, it charged find one morning and I went out to do some errands. I can home and plugged it up and that was the first time it stopped charging.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #197 on: September 29, 2018, 03:48:10 AM »

Just to update everyone. If you remember, my Diginows quit charging. I dropped the pan today and tested them out individually. Neither one would charge my SR. It would click on and the green plug light would flash for a minute then stop but the display would still be on. I went ahead and installed the factory charger back on just to charge up my bike. Bad news. It has the same behavior. It clicks on and the green plug would flash for a minute then stop. According to the app, the bike is not getting any current from any of the chargers. I double checked all the connections to make sure none were loose. I'm at a loss at what to do now. Any ideas? Prior to all this happening, it charged find one morning and I went out to do some errands. I can home and plugged it up and that was the first time it stopped charging.

Did you check all of the connectors that you touched to be sure that no pins were bent when you pushed the connectors back together? Those individual pins are pretty delicate.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #198 on: September 30, 2018, 04:06:29 AM »

Just to update everyone. If you remember, my Diginows quit charging. I dropped the pan today and tested them out individually. Neither one would charge my SR. It would click on and the green plug light would flash for a minute then stop but the display would still be on. I went ahead and installed the factory charger back on just to charge up my bike. Bad news. It has the same behavior. It clicks on and the green plug would flash for a minute then stop. According to the app, the bike is not getting any current from any of the chargers. I double checked all the connections to make sure none were loose. I'm at a loss at what to do now. Any ideas? Prior to all this happening, it charged find one morning and I went out to do some errands. I can home and plugged it up and that was the first time it stopped charging.
Do you have a Powertank? That synchronization to the main power pack can break and add some weirdness to the charging scheme. Assuming not, troubleshooting goes like so...

If your bike still operates (sevcon engage and throttle -> bike moves) then you're in good condition for voltage because the Sevcon has a defined operating range. For example if your battery was charged too high there's a possible outcome where of course the chargers would not operate but also the bike would not move anymore due to Sevcon refusing to operate. Similar outcome for battery voltage being too low.

If your pack voltage is within acceptable tolerance (10% ?) of the maximum it's possible for chargers to remain off and not engage anymore. The datasheet for Farasis cells lists 4.15Vdc maximum and packs are 28s so 4.15Vdc * 28 = 116.2Vdc maximum. Anyone doing charging equipment would design to this value. There is a resting voltage less than 116.2Vdc where charging logic (OEM, Diginow, otherwise) would not turn on (115Vdc?). I've observed this on my own bike for various equipment Diginow or otherwise.

The Diginow configuration with HK-J3300 charging modules requires a control module (the version 2.5 namesake of this topic) to send CANbus messages at regular intervals. If the CAN lines are shorted, or the internal fuse has blown, those messages will not reach the modules and the HK-J3300's will time out. My Diginow pan was installed improperly by Brandon and sheared the CAN lines. I had to disconnect some of the chargers CAN connections to get charging to work again, which got dirty from the NO-OX goop that was in them on my 400mi+ return trip for service which allegedly induced Brandon into some kind of super-sayan snowflake rage trying to clean them. If you suspect something like this, troubleshooting ends here if you want to keep Diginow happy, and best wishes for you to get support!

The stock charger needs both connection to the charging harness and to see an appropriate voltage on the DC output side before it will begin charging. There's a work-around where you can short two pins on the stock charger and it will act like a dumb charger. According to someone who got this to work it should be pins 12 and 13. Burton's wiring diagram I think shows this too. Mind the voltage as this can reportedly overcharge beyond 116.2Vdc in this configuration. Connectors I think are a JAE MX23A series (unconfirmed yet) but what seems to work without harm is to carefully short those pins.

Perhaps there is damage or connection error with the charging harness?  You could try AUX charging port enable (stock items that do this are the QuiQ charger).

Anyway if you can put current into the connector and keep the bike online, no charging enable is needed to put energy into your battery pack.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #199 on: September 30, 2018, 05:56:57 AM »

I tried both the Diginow and the onboard charger. Both connect differently to charge the bike and neither work. The battery is currently at 38% charge. The green plug icon comes on for about 30 sec then turns off. The bike will run as a matter of fact it ran from 100% down to 38% at 87% is when I tried to top it off before my longer ride and noticed it wouldn’t charge anymore.


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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #200 on: September 30, 2018, 01:11:24 PM »

I tried both the Diginow and the onboard charger. Both connect differently to charge the bike and neither work. The battery is currently at 38% charge. The green plug icon comes on for about 30 sec then turns off. The bike will run as a matter of fact it ran from 100% down to 38% at 87% is when I tried to top it off before my longer ride and noticed it wouldn’t charge anymore.
I have no idea if this will work for you, but did you try a BMS reset? 

See "BMS reset" in the Unofficial Service Manual.

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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #201 on: September 30, 2018, 08:59:25 PM »

Are tracking numbers and emails being sent out when the chargers ship?  Or are the boxes just showing up at your house.  Just curious on those of you that have received your chargers.


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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #202 on: September 30, 2018, 09:36:44 PM »

I did receive a tracking number when my chargers were sent off

I thought about the BMS reset too just didn’t do it until today. Unfortunately it did nothing to help my cause. I was thinking of charging circuit fuse. I don’t know if I can test it because it looks like it is in some sort of aluminum case looking at the picture. I also verified again that my bike does still run fine just not charging at all. The contactor is opening and closing as it’s suppose to just not charging via the onboard or the Anderson port and the Diginow.


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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #203 on: October 01, 2018, 08:35:49 AM »

I thought about the BMS reset too just didn’t do it until today. Unfortunately it did nothing to help my cause. I was thinking of charging circuit fuse. I don’t know if I can test it because it looks like it is in some sort of aluminum case looking at the picture. I also verified again that my bike does still run fine just not charging at all. The contactor is opening and closing as it’s suppose to just not charging via the onboard or the Anderson port and the Diginow.
Did you try pressing BOTH buttons at the SAME time?

Last year, my DS 6.5 would not charge and what fixed it was pressing both buttons at the same time.

One at a time did nothing at all.

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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #204 on: October 01, 2018, 07:40:57 PM »

I thought about the BMS reset too just didn’t do it until today. Unfortunately it did nothing to help my cause. I was thinking of charging circuit fuse. I don’t know if I can test it because it looks like it is in some sort of aluminum case looking at the picture. I also verified again that my bike does still run fine just not charging at all. The contactor is opening and closing as it’s suppose to just not charging via the onboard or the Anderson port and the Diginow.
Did you try pressing BOTH buttons at the SAME time?

Last year, my DS 6.5 would not charge and what fixed it was pressing both buttons at the same time.

One at a time did nothing at all.

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Just tried it. Nothing. Thanks for the suggestion though.


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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #205 on: October 02, 2018, 12:37:57 AM »


> Do you have a Powertank? That synchronization to the main power pack can break ...

Yes, please answer that.  It makes a difference.  When the powertank and the monolith are too far apart you can have bad behavior. You might get success by disconnecting one, charging till full, then disconnecting the other and connecting the first till full, and only then connecting them both, when you know they are both at the same level.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #206 on: October 02, 2018, 04:40:30 AM »

For future reference, it’s helpful when trouble reports are just new threads so that we aren’t confused. This thread is about 2.5 and it’s not clear that the reporter even has that version.
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #207 on: October 02, 2018, 11:38:08 AM »

I’m sorry but I do have the 2.5 version and I do not have. Powertank. I posted here because I thought it had to do with why it was no luck Negri charged my bike but now it seems to be more than that.


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« Reply #208 on: October 06, 2018, 04:13:44 AM »

You know what might be really slick?

The new belly pan + two chargers + one of these: http://www.quick220.com/220_catalog/voltage-converters.html

Then, provide a means of connecting and intelligently sensing which combination to use:

1. 120v service via one cord, maxing out at 1200w

2. 220v service via two cords, maxing out at 3.3kw

3. 220v service via J1772, maxing out at 6.6(7.2?)kw

I was thinking two C14s,  perhaps with the second C14 fitted with a push-down microswitch at its rear wall that would trigger a contactor to switch the line from the first C14 from the first charger to the 220v charger box.

Any ideas?
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Re: Diginow Supercharger 2.5!!
« Reply #209 on: October 06, 2018, 04:24:07 AM »

2. 220v service via two cords, maxing out at 3.3kw

Would a C20 socket fit somewhere so you could get 3.3kW with one cord?
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