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Re: Welcome!
« Reply #420 on: June 02, 2021, 06:31:59 PM »

Hi from Italy!
My name is Jürgen (<- german, although I life in Italy), and I ride a Zero SR/F Premium since September 2020. Traded in my KTM 1290 Superduke R for the new experience. BEST idea!  ;)

My home is the most northern part of Italy, near the Swiss and Austrian border. My "home" route is the famous Stelvio pass (2760 m high, 48 hairpins), and besides the Zero I ride a beautiful Ducati 748s as well as a Harley Davidson Road King.

Looking forward staying here and posting with you altogether.

Stay charged!
JvS


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« Reply #421 on: June 02, 2021, 08:08:02 PM »

Welcome, Jurgen. That is a beautiful bike and you are so fortunate to have such a wonderful riding area close to you.  :)
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« Reply #422 on: June 27, 2021, 09:04:53 PM »

Hi all,

my name is Klaus, I am yet another German (Hi Jürgen!) but live in Ontario. More importantly, I purchased a new 2021 Zero SR/S about three weeks ago  :). Since chargers >6 kW are pretty rare around here, I decided not to have the Charge Tank installed and went with the Power Tank instead to have more range at hand.

I've had motorcycles for decades, also an electric car for close to three years now. This season when I got on the bike I just couldn't bear dealing with a clutch, gearbox, smelly hands from gas stations, oil changes... you name it. So I started looking into what's available and unfortunately had to take Energica bikes out of the equasion since they are not available in Canada. Boo. DCFC would have been nice although I really didn't want to have a chain anymore. Naked bikes aren't really my thing so the LifeWire also disappeared from my list pretty quickly, leaving the Zero as the only viable option.

It's a great bike despite it's little quirks and shortcomings and an incompetent dealership which I will bring up in the appropriate subforums.

Looking forward to many interesting discussions :)


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« Reply #423 on: June 28, 2021, 12:31:42 AM »

Pretty bike, Klaus!

-Crissa
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« Reply #424 on: June 28, 2021, 04:02:05 AM »

Welcome, Klaus.  I think you maybe one of the few people on this forum who owns an SR/S with a Power Tank. When you have more time on your bike, you will have to let us know what sort of range you are getting with the PT and how it affects your handling. My S has a PT and I find the additional 42 pounds of weight to be noticeable, especially when cornering around tight S-curves and when pushing the bike around my garage. But I do appreciate having the additional range.
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« Reply #425 on: June 28, 2021, 04:31:09 AM »

Welcome, Klaus.  I think you maybe one of the few people on this forum who owns an SR/S with a Power Tank. When you have more time on your bike, you will have to let us know what sort of range you are getting with the PT and how it affects your handling. My S has a PT and I find the additional 42 pounds of weight to be noticeable, especially when cornering around tight S-curves and when pushing the bike around my garage. But I do appreciate having the additional range.
The added range can be figured out easily with simple math. Not counting what the range differeance will be with  42 lbs more in weight (almost negligible), simply figure out how many miles you get per KWH of battery.


IOW, for an example, a ten KWH battery with a 2 KWH power tank will give exactly 20% more range. And that is in all riding conditions.


-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV
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« Reply #426 on: June 28, 2021, 04:41:12 AM »

Thanks everybody for the welcome.

I have already logged about 3,000 km with the bike, so I guess I can already provide some feedback.

As you are aware, the range of the bike greatly depends on factors like wind, speed, road condition, tire pressure and whatnot. Without the power tank, I was able to do about 160 km on County Roads (mostly 80 kph around here). With the power tank equipped, I can do about 200 km. That does not include excessive speeding or accelerating.

As DonTom said, it comes down to simple math. With a 25% increased battery size you get 25% increased range. The extra weight is indeed negligible.

Quite frankly, in terms of range the power tank is not as useful as I thought it would be. When you think about it, it'll initially extend your range from 160 km to 200 km and that's it. It offers no immediate benefit for shorter or longer tours. On longer tours, you need to recharge 40 km later, but it's not any faster. Or let me put it this way: if you were to go on an 800 km tour, all you would get is an initial additional 40 km, nothing else. Whether you recharge for two hours after 160 km or 2.5 hours after 200 km doesn't make any difference, it gives you the exact same range per time spent at the charger. Not really worth it.

One reason why I did it anyways is that many of my tours are 200-300 km and the extra 40 km save me half an hour of recharging time while on the road. Half an hour at the charger instead of a full hour does make a difference, whereas 8.5 instead of 9 for a longer tour really doesn't). Another, possibly more important reason is that the Power Tank probably improves battery life. We all know that Lithium batteries don't last forever and that they age from heat and high currents. Now, what is a high current? It depends. Let's ignore the actual currents and look at the C-rating. Without the power tank, the bike has a capacity of 14.4 kWh. According to the specs, the bike has 82 kw peak power, so if I ask for that power, the bike would discharge at about 5.7 C (82/14.4). That stresses the battery way more than full acceleration in my Tesla Model 3 (about 4 C, 300/75).

Same when I charge. At 6 kW (that's what I get with the SR/S Premium) it's about 0.42 C. This is not dramatic, but again, compared to what my Tesla has to endure (11.5 kW/75 kWh -> 0.15 C) it's close to three times higher.

Other differences? Yes, the Tesla has a liquid cooled battery that is always kept within reasonable parameters. The SR/S is passively cooled and has no such benefit.

Long story short: the battery has to endure way more stress than the battery in a car and that's for a good part because of its relatively small size. With a 25% bigger battery, and that's what you basically get with the Power Tank, the C-ratings go down to 4.6 C at full acceleration and 0.33 C while charging at 6 kW.

So this was my main reason to go with the Power Tank. As for the handling, I'm more driving like an old guy. I'm sure other folks would feel the extra weight right away, but to be honest with you I don't feel it at all. You'd probably have to ask someone who's going faster, I mean the power tank is in the storage compartment on top of the chargers, so it definitely increases the centre of gravity.
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« Reply #427 on: June 28, 2021, 05:14:46 AM »

The power tank is a little faster if you now charge to only the same as before for your old full charge range.


IOW, charging to full before the PT (100 SOC) is now only 75% SOC.


The charging is faster up to 75% SOC because you now avoid the charging slow down rate after 80% SOC. It is also better for both batteries.


So now you have two  choices:


1. Charge to full to get the most range and the battery balancing
2. Charge to 75% to get the same range as before, but a faster charge as well as better battery life.


I think it normally works out for most of us to only charge to full when needed for more range and then get your battery balancing as well. Most of the time, stop charging before the charge rate slowdown which starts at around 80% SOC.


They rate charge times to 80% for that reason. But now your 80% SOC is 25% more range than before, yet less time spent charging.


-Don-  Cold Springs Valley, NV





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« Reply #428 on: June 28, 2021, 06:41:52 AM »

In my case, I use the PT to reduce my range anxiety. It is nice to come to the end of your ride and see 25% SOC, instead of 0%. That relieves a lot of riding stress.  ;)
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« Reply #429 on: June 28, 2021, 08:14:30 AM »

In my case, I use the PT to reduce my range anxiety. It is nice to come to the end of your ride and see 25% SOC, instead of 0%. That relieves a lot of riding stress.  ;)
Which is number "1." on my list of two above.  :)


-Don-  Reno, NV
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« Reply #430 on: July 03, 2021, 09:20:40 PM »

Greetings all, long time forum user, first time owner! My 2022 Energica Eva Ribelle finally arrived at my residence today here in NY.  Unfortunately, it's a rainy weekend and I'm going to have to wait a bit before I can take her out for a spin.  I'm so excited to finally be a part of this exclusive group of EV Motorcycle owners!
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« Reply #431 on: July 03, 2021, 09:28:47 PM »

Congratulations on the new bike  :D. Sucks that the weather is what it is. Gives you more time for boring stuff like reading the manual though  :o.
I hope you'll take the time to share your experiences. Enjoy the bike!
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« Reply #432 on: July 23, 2021, 08:39:48 PM »

Hi everyone - I just joined this forum so I can leverage the knowledge here and hopefully contribute some.  I don't have an ebike yet, but I'm very interested in getting something going for roadracing.

I currently have the bikes in my .sig and I'm an active roadracer with the Motorcycle Roadracing Association here in Colorado.  I've been racing for a long time and I think it'd be cool to try racing electric. 

Anyway, thanks for letting me join!
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« Reply #433 on: July 24, 2021, 03:38:02 AM »

Welcome, jjbbrewer.  :)
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« Reply #434 on: August 21, 2021, 10:42:59 AM »

I'm also new here....
electric bikes are the future vehicles in the world but these bikes should have more power........
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